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[Moomin]

We do extend our privileges but we shouldn't put our national security at risk and in allowing tens of thousands in to the country. Don't they want to stand and fight for there country like what our grandfathers done which has give us our privileges.

Mate, they want their children to be safe and away from a war zone.

Our grandfather's helped Europe in the face of fascism and suffering, you want to close the borders and stick your head in the sand.

As the great parliamentarian Edmund Burke said, “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

 

[JimmyJeffers]

So wanting illegal immigrants out of his country, trying to stop the free-flow of drugs and more illegals (Mexico), wanting to keep America American, wanting to give American workers job opportunities before immigrants, so that defines a racist then?

Well calling Mexican immigrants rapists, insinuating that a judge doesn't like him because he's 'Mexican' and calling for a shutdown on Muslims entering the country certainly does make him a racist. Like the fact you swerved the sexist 'accusations' but hey, that was just locker room chat.

 

[SNova]

My wife and kids travel on the tube every day. My wife rides a bike in Central London (and is 50 times more likely to come to harm by doing so) - we all take calculated risks every day. The idea that we should not allow immigration because of the margin increase in terrorism just doesn't wash with me. If we do that we allow the terrorists to win.

I'm interested in your idea that a British life is more valuable than say the death of a child or Mother in Aleppo. How does that work? Naturally one values the life of a loved one or friend over a stranger because of the relationship, but beyond that, on nationality?Are you serious?

I see the nation as a home and an extension of the family. It has a duty to protect its citizens first and foremost.

Why not let the people decide if we take in migrants from Europe? Put it to a referendum. The politicians won't be affected by the decision, nor will most metropolitan sneering liberal types such as Lilly Allen.

Like I keep saying though I'd be looking for other solutions. I don't think taking in a few will solve anything. Might make us feel better though.

 

[deipnosophist]

Behave. Most people recognise the scale of the risks of immigration versus the benefits immigration brings, economically and in humanitarian terms. Even if the benefits are questionable by some (not by me) we have a moral obligation to look after our fellow humans. We who live in relative prosperity and security must extend our privileges to those fleeing war and insecurity.

Yes, but only up to the point where a country's prosperity and security is not compromised/diminished as consequence of immigration policy i.e. policy should not be inimical to a country's interests.
Where that 'tipping point' is, is a question that must occupy policy makers' minds, lest the electorate, via the ballot box, relieve them of policy making capacity.
As we have seen.

 

[Moomin]

Did I? Go on, then...

It's all wrong, all terrorist deaths are wrong. My issue has always been about the innocent people of Syria who by the way are not all Muslim, which going by your rant seems to be the issue for you.

Not all Muslim's are terrorists, just like the Irish are not all IRA.

I'd hope people don't look at me and judge me for the atrocities the British Empire done in the past.

The deaths by drone strikes is wrong when innocent people are killed increasing people wanting to join ISIS and the likes to get revenge.

 

[Jacko93]

I don't remember the IRA flying planes into buildings in New York, or wiping out kids in a school in Russia....Or blowing up lorries packed with explosives in a Baghdad bazaar, or murdering tourists in Tunisia & Egypt, or kidnapping young girls in Nigeria, or selling women into sexual slavery in Kyrgyzstan, Somalia & Pakistan, or beheading people and posting it on social media...et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

But that's just my spin on it.

The IRA killed my mate. Nobody I know has ever been harmed by a Muslim.

But that's just my spin on it.

 

[Jacko93]

The IRA killed my mate. Nobody I know has ever been harmed by a Muslim.

But that's just my spin on it.

Actually, I'm lying there, one of my little sisters good friends, Shafilia Ahmed, was killed by her dad, but that was maybe a little different.... Or not.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

It's all wrong, all terrorist deaths are wrong. My issue has always been about the innocent people of Syria who by the way are not all Muslim, which going by your rant seems to be the issue for you.

Not all Muslim's are terrorists, just like the Irish are not all IRA.

I'd hope people don't look at me and judge me for the atrocities the British Empire done in the past.

The deaths by drone strikes is wrong when innocent people are killed increasing people wanting to join ISIS and the likes to get revenge.

Nope. Don't give me the handwringing mea culpa spiel about the british empire. Answer the question.

Where and when did I say terrorism was ok?

The IRA killed my mate. Nobody I know has ever been harmed by a Muslim.

But that's just my spin on it.

And I'm very sorry about that. But because you don't know those that were killed in 7/7
or in Afghan they don't matter, is that it?

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

Nope. Don't give me the handwringing mea culpa spiel about the british empire. Answer the question.

Where and when did I say terrorism was ok?



And I'm very sorry about that. But because you don't know those that were killed in 7/7
or in Afghan they don't matter, is that it?

Jacko didn't say that did he? That is a massive reversion of his point.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Jacko didn't say that did he? That is a massive reversion of his point.

Hasn't stopped others though, has it?

 

[Prevenger17]

And I'm very sorry about that. But because you don't know those that were killed in 7/7
or in Afghan they don't matter, is that it?

Obviously not what he was saying

 

[Groucho]

Seemingly every other post in this thread has been reported.

Play nice please folks.

You can argue a point without being hostile to others. It is possible.

 

[Jacko93]

Nope. Don't give me the handwringing mea culpa spiel about the british empire. Answer the question.

Where and when did I say terrorism was ok?



And I'm very sorry about that. But because you don't know those that were killed in 7/7
or in Afghan they don't matter, is that it?

No mate, I'll never meet the people who killed him. I'll never treat anybody else any differently because they're from Ireland. Same as I will never treat any body any different because of their religious beliefs or difference of opinion.

It's like the whole thing now, Its starting to get on my Wick that people are claiming that everybody who voted for Trump is a white supremecist. Many may well be, but equally, many wont. People voted fr Trump for their own reasons. Treat each person as you find them, not make massive generalisations based on locality or how they look.

Unless they're Kopites like...

I'm not really having an argument as I haven't read most of the thread, but just thought I would put my point in.

 

[Prevenger17]

You can argue a point without being hostile to others.

NO I CAN'T YOU CLOWN

 

[Moomin]

Nope. Don't give me the handwringing mea culpa spiel about the british empire. Answer the question.

Where and when did I say terrorism was ok?



And I'm very sorry about that. But because you don't know those that were killed in 7/7
or in Afghan they don't matter, is that it?

You never, I worded it wrong. I said all forms of terrorism are wrong in my eyes and all deaths needless and should all be classed as the same. Terrorism is Terrorism.

I mentioned shall we ban Irish people due to the actions of the IRA and you started bringing up planes into buildings and kidnapping in Nigeria.