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This is performance art really, this week of all weeks Sessions gives a "free speech" talk

Bear in mnd this is the same AG whose department is prosecuting a woman for the SECOND time for a brief laugh during his confirmation hearing after their first attempt at coercing her into a plea deal failed.


Free speech you say ?

"Whilst serving as Alabama attorney general in 1996, Sessions launched a public campaign to prevent a gay and lesbian conference at the University of Alabama.

Sessions used his role to try and block Southeastern Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual College Conference from taking place at the University of Alabama in 1996.

The event included a workshop on coming out, an interfaith panel and a discussion on preventing STDs.

However legal records show that Sessions tried to block the meeting under a 1992 state law, that banned the “promotion” of “actions prohibited by the sodomy and sexual misconduct laws”.

Sessions said at the time: “I intend to do everything I can to stop that conference"
 
Free speech you say ?

"Whilst serving as Alabama attorney general in 1996, Sessions launched a public campaign to prevent a gay and lesbian conference at the University of Alabama.

Sessions used his role to try and block Southeastern Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual College Conference from taking place at the University of Alabama in 1996.

The event included a workshop on coming out, an interfaith panel and a discussion on preventing STDs.

However legal records show that Sessions tried to block the meeting under a 1992 state law, that banned the “promotion” of “actions prohibited by the sodomy and sexual misconduct laws”.

Sessions said at the time: “I intend to do everything I can to stop that conference"
Aye, being lectured by him on free speech is almost as ironic as Trump telling people to be more respectful.
 
You missed out the 'intellectually lazy' and 'talking crap' bits.....

Yes Pete, you're intellectually lazy as well. Here's one example of many that I could chose from:

Yesterday you wrote: "The last guys views are obviously valid. You can all do whatever you want. But don't get upset when Arabs burn your flag or ISIS denigrates your country and beliefs. If you won't respect it, why should anyone else......."

There are several issues of laziness and sloppiness in reasoning here: For starters, you are confusing American citizens with non-American individuals who are widely viewed as enemy combatants. Second, you are confusing an American principle (right to freedom of expression) with an antagonistic and widely-used antic by enemies in opposition (e.g., burning a flag, burning an effigy of a US president). Third you come suspiciously close to conflating ISIS with "Arabs." Finally, you are confusing cause and effect; you seem to imply that because Americans sometimes protest the flag, this is what causes ISIS to burn our flag as well. This is backwards and wrong. It is for these reasons that you are intellectually lazy.

I pointed all this out to you yesterday when I wrote:

"ISIS doesn't even figure into the discussion. They don't care about our Bill of Rights, nor are they American citizens, nor are they "taking a knee". Their actions show that they are the enemy of pretty much everything except for their own narrow-minded warped world view, so their motivations for burning our flag (which, again, is really really really different from NFL players taking a knee during our anthem) are not rooted in patriotism, principles, or anything that has to do with this discussion. Japanese soldiers during WW2 routinely burned the US flag--it's what enemies do, they burn effigies/symbols of their opposition. But such actions are world's apart from an American black athlete raising his fist or taking a knee."

If you need another example, you said in the Global Warming thread that "everyone" completely "ignores" or will "dismiss" the effect of the sun even though it is really really big and hot (see page 5). Can you imagine going up to one of NASA's climate scientists are saying "Gee, sir, you might want to consider the sun, I think you're ignoring it, and it is really really big and hot."

Apparently you could. I couldn't. And I find this yet another (of many) of your instances of intellectually lazy, crap-talking, idiocy. To be sure, I'm being charitable here by calling you "intellectually lazy" since it implies that you are capable of being more thoughtful and well-reasoned, but you simply aren't trying.
 
Sport needs less politics. No idea what on earth the need is for the anthem before every game. Dead weird.

It's dead weird. Prior to 2009 the players weren't even on the field when they played the anthem at NFL games.

Also, NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy has confirmed the practice began in 2009, adding, "As you know, the NFL has a long tradition of patriotism. Players are encouraged but not required to stand for the anthem."

Another interesting read is McCain and Flakes report on paid patriotism from 2013.

https://www.mccain.senate.gov/publi...tackling-paid-patriotism-oversight-report.pdf
 
Yes Pete, you're intellectually lazy as well. Here's one example of many that I could chose from:

Yesterday you wrote: "The last guys views are obviously valid. You can all do whatever you want. But don't get upset when Arabs burn your flag or ISIS denigrates your country and beliefs. If you won't respect it, why should anyone else......."

There are several issues of laziness and sloppiness in reasoning here: For starters, you are confusing American citizens with non-American individuals who are widely viewed as enemy combatants. Second, you are confusing an American principle (right to freedom of expression) with an antagonistic and widely-used antic by enemies in opposition (e.g., burning a flag, burning an effigy of a US president). Third you come suspiciously close to conflating ISIS with "Arabs." Finally, you are confusing cause and effect; you seem to imply that because Americans sometimes protest the flag, this is what causes ISIS to burn our flag as well. This is backwards and wrong. It is for these reasons that you are intellectually lazy.

I pointed all this out to you yesterday when I wrote:

"ISIS doesn't even figure into the discussion. They don't care about our Bill of Rights, nor are they American citizens, nor are they "taking a knee". Their actions show that they are the enemy of pretty much everything except for their own narrow-minded warped world view, so their motivations for burning our flag (which, again, is really really really different from NFL players taking a knee during our anthem) are not rooted in patriotism, principles, or anything that has to do with this discussion. Japanese soldiers during WW2 routinely burned the US flag--it's what enemies do, they burn effigies/symbols of their opposition. But such actions are world's apart from an American black athlete raising his fist or taking a knee."

If you need another example, you said in the Global Warming thread that "everyone" completely "ignores" or will "dismiss" the effect of the sun even though it is really really big and hot (see page 5). Can you imagine going up to one of NASA's climate scientists are saying "Gee, sir, you might want to consider the sun, I think you're ignoring it, and it is really really big and hot."

Apparently you could. I couldn't. And I find this yet another (of many) of your instances of intellectually lazy, crap-talking, idiocy. To be sure, I'm being charitable here by calling you "intellectually lazy" since it implies that you are capable of being more thoughtful and well-reasoned, but you simply aren't trying.

Funny enough, I used to deal with some of the senior guys at NASA and one of their Programme Directors and I had a meal together while we were both presenting at a conference in France. When I used the intellectually lazy description regarding the sun, he totally agreed with me. Of course he understood my background and we had a working relationship...unlike you and I...your attempts to demean are not really worthy of discussion...
 
It's dead weird. Prior to 2009 the players weren't even on the field when they played the anthem at NFL games.

Also, NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy has confirmed the practice began in 2009, adding, "As you know, the NFL has a long tradition of patriotism. Players are encouraged but not required to stand for the anthem."

Another interesting read is McCain and Flakes report on paid patriotism from 2013.

https://www.mccain.senate.gov/publi...tackling-paid-patriotism-oversight-report.pdf

Very interesting, but come on, a 150 page report, give us a break or at least a précis.....
 
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