Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[Pittsburgh Footy]

"While the Left’s back was turned, the bourgeoisification of the white proletariat which began in WWII and continued up through the Vietnam War has been halted, and the process has gone into reverse. America is now proletarianizing its bourgeoisie, and this process is likely to culminate in bottom-up revolt, of the sort [Pat] Buchanan hopes to foment."

"The super-rich will have to keep up the pretense that national politics might someday make a difference. Since economic decisions are their prerogative, they will encourage politicians of both the Left and the Right, to specialize in cultural issues. The aim will be to keep the minds of the proles elsewhere – to keep the bottom 75 percent of Americans and the bottom 95 percent of the world’s population busy with ethnic and religious hostilities, and with debates about sexual mores. If the proles can be distracted from their own despair by media-created pseudo-events…the super-rich will have little to fear."

- Richard Rorty, 1988

This quote is genius.

 

[peteblue]

You disagree with sports getting involved in politics. Fine. However, it is an American tradition. As for the playing of the National Anthem at sporting events, the act alone is a political one so what you are really saying is you object to the politics of those who are kneeling.

You disagree with people who are disrespectful of a country's national anthem. Fine. In America, peaceful demonstration during the National Anthem is allowed and the persons who started the protests intentionally decided to kneel so as not to be overtly disrespectful. In America people are also free not to participate in singing the National Anthem or to not pay proper homage - which is what the vast majority choose to do in the stadiums or at home when watching a game.

You may continue to espouse the notion the players who are kneeling are being disrespectful to those for whom the Anthem is written. However, this is utterly and completely an incorrect statement. It belies an incomplete understanding of the anthem and what it represents. FS Key wrote the poem about what he saw after the bombardment of Fort McHenry in the Battle of Baltimore but the constant refrain in all the stanzas of the poem (only the first is sung in the anthem) is that the United States is the land of the free and the home of the brave.

I do not believe anyone is asking you to be a sheep, mindless in following the flock. Instead what I believe most are asking is that you be more mindful of what you say.

Personally, I don't like it when people fail to remove their hats or choose to continue their conversations or keep munching on their nachos during the National Anthem. That kind of casual disregard bothers me. When someone intentionally chooses to make a point during the Anthem, I simply want to know why.

Thanks for this. So, now that everybody knows, the whole world in fact, does it need to continue ?.....

 

[abelard]

This quote is genius.

Prescient stuff. It's from a 1988 book, Acheiving our Country, passages of which started making the rounds right after the election
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/...ggested-election-2016-was-coming.html?mcubz=0

"For the Right never thinks that anything much needs to be changed: it thinks the country is basically in good shape, and may well have been in better shape in the past. It sees the Left’s struggle for social justice as mere troublemaking, as utopian foolishness. The Left, by definition, is the party of hope. It insists that our nation remains unachieved."

Instead, in 2016, we had Hillary Clinton telling people whose wages have eroded relative to inflation for the past 40 years (!) that "America is Already Great!"

The malady lingers.

 

[peteblue]

@Fedlingen yup, that's the key point.
To say Kaepernick is of no importance to the debate is to show real ignorance of the debate.
Then to follow up with statements like the civil war being the same as the revolutionary war and the confederate flag being a symbol of freedom, leads me to believe that Pete is either a Wum or something more sinister. Sorry Pete, you may complain about me playing the man and not the ball but your views on this thread range from disappointing to concerning, and that's putting it as politely as possible.

But Kaepernick is of no importance to it. He merely started it, it's not about him, it's about how it plays out and what it either achieves or not, insults or not. The guy who shot Archduke Frank Ferdinand of Austria, helped start a world war, but events moved on and the assassin, while perhaps being responsible, was of no importance to any further debate or action....

 

[DanEFC92]

Prescient stuff. It's from a 1988 book, Acheiving our Country, passages of which started making the rounds right after the election
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/...ggested-election-2016-was-coming.html?mcubz=0

"For the Right never thinks that anything much needs to be changed: it thinks the country is basically in good shape, and may well have been in better shape in the past. It sees the Left’s struggle for social justice as mere troublemaking, as utopian foolishness. The Left, by definition, is the party of hope. It insists that our nation remains unachieved."

Instead, in 2016, we had Hillary Clinton telling people whose wages have eroded relative to inflation for the past 40 years (!) that "America is Already Great!"

The malady lingers.

In her defence, I don't know what else you can say as a slogan (or whatever) as a response to MAGA. 'America is already great, however we need to improve on x, etc' just isn't quite as catchy.

 

[abelard]

In her defence, I don't know what else you can say as a slogan (or whatever) as a response to MAGA. 'America is already great, however we need to improve on x, etc' just isn't quite as catchy.

It's not the phrasing that was problem, but the substance of the campaign, or rather, the campaign's lack of substance

 

[Fedlingen]

But Kaepernick is of no importance to it. He merely started it, it's not about him, it's about how it plays out and what it either achieves or not, insults or not. The guy who shot Archduke Frank Ferdinand of Austria, helped start a world war, but events moved on and the assassin, while perhaps being responsible, was of no importance to any further debate or action....

He's of severe importance.

The recent reactions didn't come until the President made his remarks, and the recent events is more a reaction of the NFL and it's teams owners after being told how to do their business and players reacting to being called s.o.b.'s.

What's happening is a reaction against the President and his comments and the discussion has been dragged towards patriotism and the first amendment rather than civil rights.

Kaepernick and the work he does advocating civil rights for communities across the united states are of even more importance now than before and shouldn't be forgotten.

 

[peteblue]

He's of severe importance.

The recent reactions didn't come until the President made his remarks, and the recent events is more a reaction of the NFL and it's teams owners after being told how to do their business and players reacting to being called s.o.b.'s.

What's happening is a reaction against the President and his comments and the discussion has been dragged towards patriotism and the first amendment rather than civil rights.

Kaepernick and the work he does advocating civil rights for communities across the united states are of even more importance now than before and shouldn't be forgotten.

Ok.....

 

[LinekersLegs]

Thanks for this. So, now that everybody knows, the whole world in fact, does it need to continue ?.....

Until there are actions taken to correct the inequality in treatment and justice, yes

 

[Ruairi77]

But Kaepernick is of no importance to it. He merely started it, it's not about him, it's about how it plays out and what it either achieves or not, insults or not. The guy who shot Archduke Frank Ferdinand of Austria, helped start a world war, but events moved on and the assassin, while perhaps being responsible, was of no importance to any further debate or action....

Again, your analogy shows a complete lack of knowledge about the subject.

 

[peteblue]

Again, your analogy shows a complete lack of knowledge about the subject.

Ok....

 

[Fedlingen]

Ok.....

Ok....

Great input.

If you have the time watch Shannon Sharpe's take on the situation.

 

[Harryflashman]

Wish I could say I can't believe he's brought Pat Tillman into his NFL feud but alas, he has.

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I see Tillman's widow has commented on the President politicising the death of her husband In the ongoing NFL row .

'It is my hope that his memory should always remind people that we must come together. Pat's service, along with that of every man and woman's service, should never be politicized in a way that divides us. We are too great of a country for that.Those that serve fight for the American ideals of freedom, justice and democracy. They and their families know the cost of that fight. I know the very personal costs in a way I feel acutely every day.'


Marie then used the remainder of her statement to defend those who choose to peacefully protest.

'The very action of self expression and the freedom to speak from one's heart - no matter those views - is what Pat and so many other Americans have given their lives for,' said Marie.

'Even if they didn't always agree with those views. It is my sincere hope that our leaders both understand and learn from the lessons of Pat's life and death, and also those of so many other brave Americans.'

 

[Ruairi77]

@peteblue The flag and anthem represent everything that is good about America. If you feel that elements of those in positions of authority are not doing right by you or that a certain group of people are not getting the full opportunity and freedom afforded to others, you can protest during the playing of the anthem. I would argue that the protest is pointing out that the flag and anthem are being disrespected by those that do not treat others equally and there fore the protest during the anthem is actually honoring the anthem and pointing out that others, perhaps in positions of authority are disrespecting it.

 

[peteblue]

Until there are actions taken to correct the inequality in treatment and justice, yes

What if no action is taken, it then becomes gesture politics. What action is wanted, by when and to be undertaken by whom. Because of Trump, it got worldwide recognition, fine so everyone is now looking, but what happens next because people will soon get fed up with it and it will polarise opinion....