Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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Do you believe that everyone on the right is a monster. Do you believe that everyone on the left is a saint. There are bad people on both sides, the reason for the argument is different, but I judge people on actions not words.....

No one is arguing that.

No one is arguing that all of the left are saints and all of the right are demons.

You are reaching now buddy to try make your original point.

I bet some of those protesting the the racists and kkk might actually been supporters of the right but not the far right....

The president simply should not defend racists saying any of them are nice if their sole intention was to spread hate simple as that

Also it is possible to become violent if provoked you realize that right? Its called self defense and from a lot of the pictures the people their to tell the racists to go home were provoked and or attacked.

Not to say some of them didn't start it.
 
My dad died years ago and he'd served in the Second World War . Wasn't really a fella interested in politics but if anything I suppose he was one of those old school working class blokes that'd consider themselves an aspiration Tory . However if anybody was to wave a swastika in front of him you'd be seeing him in a different light . For a host of reasons and completely correctly that kind of vile nazism & scummy fascism would send him off .

So For me for anybody to try and compare those scumbags marching and the others protesting against them just strikes me as ridiculous. I lost family who fought against fascism and people have every right to protest against them marching through their town .

We all lost family mate. I can post an explosion on a British ship that killed my granddad if it helps.....
 
Do you believe that everyone on the right is a monster. Do you believe that everyone on the left is a saint. There are bad people on both sides, the reason for the argument is different, but I judge people on actions not words.....

Of course not everyone on the right is "evil" just as not everyone on the left is "good". But when it comes to the the things mentioned above, you're either for those views or against them, there's no middle ground as turning a blind eye to racist and fascist views is as bad as holding them yourself.
 
You've probably just used a figure of speech and if so fair enough, but it shouldn't be shocking to anyone who witnessed his campaign trail.

Yeah It is a figure of speech really but even by the standards of his outrageous campaign even including the advocating torture , extra judicial execution , mocking disability , misogyny and the rest I really think this is genuinely shocking .
 
Hey, I'm just giving another viewpoint. Now look back at all the posts. Now tell me that there is a willingness to rationally discuss an issue......

So you are calling the rest of us irrational or just me in this thread?

Go away now you are being a troll.

Clearly with every comment you have made every one of us here has rebutted with clear precise points and i would say pretty rational remarks.

Oh yeah i'm sorry its what you thinks count sorry about that.
 
No one is arguing that.

No one is arguing that all of the left are saints and all of the right are demons.

You are reaching now buddy to try make your original point.

I bet some of those protesting the the racists and kkk might actually been supporters of the right but not the far right....

The president simply should not defend racists saying any of them are nice if their sole intention was to spread hate simple as that

Also it is possible to become violent if provoked you realize that right? Its called self defense and from a lot of the pictures the people their to tell the racists to go home were provoked and or attacked.

Not to say some of them didn't start it.

A good post. I haven't a clue who started fighting with whom, or why they did. If trump is defending racists then he is an idiot, but I'm not sure he actually did. Everyone assumes he did, and he may well have done, but I haven't actually read that he did. If he did, then burn him.......
 
My point being that if you believe that the war was about slavery and the black population, why did very little change in the following 100 years......100 years is a very long time to enact beliefs...
The war was about politics. Specifically the politics of slavery.

The north had abolished slavery. The south relied on slavery for their economic engine. The north felt like slavery was an abhorrent practice. The south feared for their economic ruin, so we had the Missouri Compromise - every time a new state was added, it needed a partner so we could have a perfect balance of 'slave' states and 'free' states. This did not end the conflict of course, but simply delayed it a few decades.

The south seceded because of the fear that the Free States/Lincoln were going to officially abolish slavery, crippling the southern economy. War broke out. A few years into the war, Lincoln emancipated the slaves in the rebel southern states.

This story has been used by Southern apologist through the past 150 years to say the war wasn't about 'slavery' but was about 'economics'. Which is true, yet still disingenuous.

For the actual government and common people of the North, the war was about politics - not making the lives of the oppressed better. What happened after the war was not a product of the same forces that caused the war. The Reconstruction was an utter s-show, and the various tensions that came to a head in 1861 were never fully dealt with.

Also, anyone creating an equivalency between actual, honest to god Nazi's, and BLM/leftist groups dedicated to trying to extend freedom and equality to all people rather than the historical patrician class is either horrifyingly misinformed, stupid, or evil.

No cops are killing white american men for driving a car while white.
 
So you are calling the rest of us irrational or just me in this thread?

Go away now you are being a troll.

Clearly with every comment you have made every one of us here has rebutted with clear precise points and i would say pretty rational remarks.

Oh yeah i'm sorry its what you thinks count sorry about that.

Why do you try to turn this personal. You call me a troll, but it's just another point of view. If you don't like opinions that do not agree with you then I am sorry. You have rebutted nothing, you have given no clear precise points or historical fact....
 
A good post. I haven't a clue who started fighting with whom, or why they did. If trump is defending racists then he is an idiot, but I'm not sure he actually did. Everyone assumes he did, and he may well have done, but I haven't actually read that he did. If he did, then burn him.......

He just did defend them in the news conference.... By making a claim that not all of them were racist and some of them were good people.... Well what were these good people doing in the middle of the KKK and Nazis march then?

Any good person would know that's asking for trouble.

Not forgetting he blamed both side on Saturday until everyone berated him publicly so much so his staff wrote him a speech to spit out yesterday to say he condoned it a full two days later
 
Why do you try to turn this personal. You call me a troll, but it's just another point of view. If you don't like opinions that do not agree with you then I am sorry. You have rebutted nothing, you have given no clear precise points or historical fact....

Pretty sure you called all of us irrational or maybe just me who knows.

No offence but its clear you came in to this thread to argue. Simple as that. Or wind people up hence my troll comment.

You made one opinion at the off and people disagreed with you so you decided to argue their arguments as to why they believed you were wrong or why they had a different opinion and still you come back with more bait.

No clear points yet you said you agreed with two or three of them well proves my point really

not sure i gave anything that required historical evidence
 
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