Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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peteblue said:
I‘m not aware of anyone backing Trump, and certainly I’m not. For me it’s the sheer scale and width of the indictments that seems a bit iffy. Almost like throw enough mud and keep throwing it until something sticks.…..
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It's a legacy of how we prosecuted organized crime, and particularly Mafia bosses. The Feds only have jurisdiction on the things Congress can pass laws about, and the short version there is that the interstate commerce clause puts substantial limits on that, which is why they had to get Capone on tax evasion. Mob bosses were smart enough to build layers between themselves and the crimes, so that it became nigh impossible to prove they did anything other than fail to pay taxes until the advent of wiretapping. Even then, it took things like the passage of RICO and the Federal Witness Protection Program to take the big shots down.

The Trump cases have many similarities to the way the Mafia operated. The tactics are straight out of the playbook of one of his mentors, Roy Cohn, most (in)famous for being Joseph McCarthy's lead prosecutor. Later, Cohn would become an attorney for Trump, George Steinbrenner, Mafia bosses and other shady New York creatures. There's a decent chance Cohn was a liaison between Trump and the Mafia, given that he represented both and that building anything in New York without dealing with the Mafia was more or less impossible during that era.

Predictably, the Feds have rolled out that playbook in reply. Rather than try to allege something hard to prove like seditious intent (Trump is infamous for refusing all forms of written correspondence, probably due to Cohn's advice), they're hitting Trump on a bunch of lesser charges they can make stick. If they stack up enough charges with six month sentences, they can put Trump away for good.
 
Martin Alvito said:
It's a legacy of how we prosecuted organized crime, and particularly Mafia bosses. The Feds only have jurisdiction on the things Congress can pass laws about, and the short version there is that the interstate commerce clause puts substantial limits on that, which is why they had to get Capone on tax evasion. Mob bosses were smart enough to build layers between themselves and the crimes, so that it became nigh impossible to prove they did anything other than fail to pay taxes until the advent of wiretapping. Even then, it took things like the passage of RICO and the Federal Witness Protection Program to take the big shots down.

The Trump cases have many similarities to the way the Mafia operated. The tactics are straight out of the playbook of one of his mentors, Roy Cohn, most (in)famous for being Joseph McCarthy's lead prosecutor. Later, Cohn would become an attorney for Trump, George Steinbrenner, Mafia bosses and other shady New York creatures. There's a decent chance Cohn was a liaison between Trump and the Mafia, given that he represented both and that building anything in New York without dealing with the Mafia was more or less impossible during that era.

Predictably, the Feds have rolled out that playbook in reply. Rather than try to allege something hard to prove like seditious intent (Trump is infamous for refusing all forms of written correspondence, probably due to Cohn's advice), they're hitting Trump on a bunch of lesser charges they can make stick. If they stack up enough charges with six month sentences, they can put Trump away for good.
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excellent post ……
 
peteblue said:
Not at all. A crime should always be prosecuted . However other crimes like drugs in the White House seem to be ignored, Bidens involvement with his son’s nefarious business practices are swept under the carpet. Are you comfortable with this ?……personally I would lock Trump, Biden and his lad up, would you ?…….
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Bribery cases are notoriously difficult to prove. The standard of evidence is to show both the financial transaction and the explicit quid pro quo. It's why the immediate families of members of Congress, governors and presidents have gotten away with accepting sinecure positions for so long. That has become more or less a tolerated means of spending a lobbying budget in return for access.

What has come out in the media is nowhere near enough to make a case. Hunter can say whatever dumb stuff he wants to say in a text. It won't stick in a court of law. The Supreme Court has also become increasingly hostile towards federal corruption cases in recent years. (I wonder why?)

The long and the short of it is that if the Republican operatives had enough to burn Biden from the laptop, they would leak it, and then the Feds would have to do something about it.
 
Martin Alvito said:
Bribery cases are notoriously difficult to prove. The standard of evidence is to show both the financial transaction and the explicit quid pro quo. It's why the immediate families of members of Congress, governors and presidents have gotten away with accepting sinecure positions for so long. That has become more or less a tolerated means of spending a lobbying budget in return for access.

What has come out in the media is nowhere near enough to make a case. Hunter can say whatever dumb stuff he wants to say in a text. It won't stick in a court of law. The Supreme Court has also become increasingly hostile towards federal corruption cases in recent years. (I wonder why?)

The long and the short of it is that if the Republican operatives had enough to burn Biden from the laptop, they would leak it, and then the Feds would have to do something about it.
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And your last two posts prove exactly why the CA informs and educates……
 
Martin Alvito said:
Bribery cases are notoriously difficult to prove. The standard of evidence is to show both the financial transaction and the explicit quid pro quo. It's why the immediate families of members of Congress, governors and presidents have gotten away with accepting sinecure positions for so long. That has become more or less a tolerated means of spending a lobbying budget in return for access.

What has come out in the media is nowhere near enough to make a case. Hunter can say whatever dumb stuff he wants to say in a text. It won't stick in a court of law. The Supreme Court has also become increasingly hostile towards federal corruption cases in recent years. (I wonder why?)

The long and the short of it is that if the Republican operatives had enough to burn Biden from the laptop, they would leak it, and then the Feds would have to do something about it.
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Unfortunately so, for prosecutions on both sides of the aisle.
www.nbcnews.com

Supreme Court throws out convictions in sweeping New York corruption probe

In two rulings the court delivered a blow to the Justice Department's efforts to root out public corruption.
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I don't think it helps foster a) trust in government b) ethical behavior by government officials.

The pardon of Blagojevich (a Democrat) despite his obvious crimes was an example that Trump doesn't believe in government officials being held accountable.
 
I have no idea why, having seen numerous examples of how Trump treats his lawyers, anyone thinks “this time will be different” for them

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But what has surprised those in Trump’s inner circle is the former president’s unwillingness to pay for Giuliani’s bills, given Giuliani could find himself under intense pressure to cooperate with the federal and state prosecutors who have charged Trump. Giuliani sat down voluntarily with special counsel Jack Smith’s investigators this summer, and he was indicted this week in Georgia by the Fulton County district attorney.

“It’s not a smart idea” for Trump to refuse to pay Giuliani’s legal fees, one person close to the situation told CNN, referencing how Trump’s relationship with Michael Cohen famously deteriorated while he was investigated by special counsel Robert Mueller.

CNN reported on Tuesday that Giuliani is staring down hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal bills and sanctions amid numerous lawsuits tied to his false claims that the 2020 election was rigged.
 
LinekersLegs said:
I have no idea why, having seen numerous examples of how Trump treats his lawyers, anyone thinks “this time will be different” for them

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But what has surprised those in Trump’s inner circle is the former president’s unwillingness to pay for Giuliani’s bills, given Giuliani could find himself under intense pressure to cooperate with the federal and state prosecutors who have charged Trump. Giuliani sat down voluntarily with special counsel Jack Smith’s investigators this summer, and he was indicted this week in Georgia by the Fulton County district attorney.

“It’s not a smart idea” for Trump to refuse to pay Giuliani’s legal fees, one person close to the situation told CNN, referencing how Trump’s relationship with Michael Cohen famously deteriorated while he was investigated by special counsel Robert Mueller.

CNN reported on Tuesday that Giuliani is staring down hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal bills and sanctions amid numerous lawsuits tied to his false claims that the 2020 election was rigged.
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Trump's "Art of the Deal" strategy for decades has been as follows: make a deal, renege on payment, then either barter it down after the fact or see them in court. It dates to at least the era when he was trying to stay afloat by stiffing his Trump Taj Mahal contractors. I doubt he tried to stiff the mob, seeing how he still has all his teeth and walks without a limp.

That's interesting, because his father's strategy as a landlord in later years was to demand payment in full while reneging on his obligations as a landlord to keep properties in habitable condition, as detailed by court records. The 2018 article published by the New York Times makes a compelling case that they were both egregious tax cheats.

Not paying one's lawyers is usually a bad idea, because they know how to destroy a deadbeat in court, but Trump has also elevated that one to an art form.
 
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