Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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Grinch said:
Can I get a comment on the other 8 countries who have a worst death per capita?
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In the exchange above with Prev, it seems that you are implying that Trump should take credit for the relatively lower per capita death rate, when in fact he has done everything possible to suggest it is a liberal hoax and will "miraculously" be gone by April. More simply, from his own mouth: "I don't take responsibility at all." In fact the lower per capita death rate in the USA relative to other countries is likely due to the hard work of local/state government officials (i.e., a decentralized state-by-state response) and health care workers, in spite of Trump's own efforts to derail their contributions. For example, California and New York, two of the five most populous states implemented some of the earliest stay-at-home orders (along with New Jersey and Illinois...all Democrat governors I should add).

But for those other 8 countries, there are myriad other factors that could contribute to their high death rate. For example, Belgium, unlike the USA counts deaths due to covid even if they are "suspected deaths"; further, they have more people (per capita) in retirement homes than many other countries in Europe and this is where most deaths have occurred. Italy also has much more older people per capita than the USA, and again older people are more likely to die. The UK's response was delayed, initially irresponsible (e.g., initial calls for herd immunity) and centralized--no region as far as I know had a stay-at-home rule in effect so the whole region suffered due to a delayed and definitive message about how to mitigate the virus (folks in the UK can correct me if I'm wrong here). There are also density effects at play with respect to the number of large cities, etc. All of these things can lead to the tragic outcome of high per capita death rates.

But more importantly, exactly what has Trump done in a non-partisan healing way to help curb the virus? Can I get a comment on exactly what positive thing Trump has personally done to mitigate the spread of coronavirus in the USA? Was it the fake suggestion that Obama left him with zero ventilators? Was it the false suggestion that he banned travel from China? Was it the false claims that automakers were making ventilators on March 21 when they weren't? Was it his fake and irresponsible claims about injecting disinfectant? Was it his dubious claim about hydroxychloroquine? Was it the false claim that Trump inherited flawed coronavirus tests from the Obama administration? Was is the paranoid claim that testing was a partisan issue when in fact calls for more testing were coming from both sides of the aisle? Was it Trump's dismissal as "wrong" of the HHS report that over 300 hospitals wanted more tests? Was it the fact that Trump's campaign removed social distancing stickers from seats at their Tulsa rally? Was it the lack of social distancing restrictions at his Mount Rushmore speech?

I do agree with you that the USA's response isn't "the worst" though as we always can look to Brazil and their far-right Trump-admirer president Jair Bolsonaro.
 
verreauxi said:
In the exchange above with Prev, it seems that you are implying that Trump should take credit for the relatively lower per capita death rate, when in fact he has done everything possible to suggest it is a liberal hoax and will "miraculously" be gone by April. More simply, from his own mouth: "I don't take responsibility at all." In fact the lower per capita death rate in the USA relative to other countries is likely due to the hard work of local/state government officials (i.e., a decentralized state-by-state response) and health care workers, in spite of Trump's own efforts to derail their contributions. For example, California and New York, two of the five most populous states implemented some of the earliest stay-at-home orders (along with New Jersey and Illinois...all Democrat governors I should add).

But for those other 8 countries, there are myriad other factors that could contribute to their high death rate. For example, Belgium, unlike the USA counts deaths due to covid even if they are "suspected deaths"; further, they have more people (per capita) in retirement homes than many other countries in Europe and this is where most deaths have occurred. Italy also has much more older people per capita than the USA, and again older people are more likely to die. The UK's response was delayed, initially irresponsible (e.g., initial calls for herd immunity) and centralized--no region as far as I know had a stay-at-home rule in effect so the whole region suffered due to a delayed and definitive message about how to mitigate the virus (folks in the UK can correct me if I'm wrong here). There are also density effects at play with respect to the number of large cities, etc. All of these things can lead to the tragic outcome of high per capita death rates.

But more importantly, exactly what has Trump done in a non-partisan healing way to help curb the virus? Can I get a comment on exactly what positive thing Trump has personally done to mitigate the spread of coronavirus in the USA? Was it the fake suggestion that Obama left him with zero ventilators? Was it the false suggestion that he banned travel from China? Was it the false claims that automakers were making ventilators on March 21 when they weren't? Was it his fake and irresponsible claims about injecting disinfectant? Was it his dubious claim about hydroxychloroquine? Was it the false claim that Trump inherited flawed coronavirus tests from the Obama administration? Was is the paranoid claim that testing was a partisan issue when in fact calls for more testing were coming from both sides of the aisle? Was it Trump's dismissal as "wrong" of the HHS report that over 300 hospitals wanted more tests? Was it the fact that Trump's campaign removed social distancing stickers from seats at their Tulsa rally? Was it the lack of social distancing restrictions at his Mount Rushmore speech?

I do agree with you that the USA's response isn't "the worst" though as we always can look to Brazil and their far-right Trump-admirer president Jair Bolsonaro.
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Pick the bones out of that one Grinch.
 
verreauxi said:
In the exchange above with Prev, it seems that you are implying that Trump should take credit for the relatively lower per capita death rate, when in fact he has done everything possible to suggest it is a liberal hoax and will "miraculously" be gone by April. More simply, from his own mouth: "I don't take responsibility at all." In fact the lower per capita death rate in the USA relative to other countries is likely due to the hard work of local/state government officials (i.e., a decentralized state-by-state response) and health care workers, in spite of Trump's own efforts to derail their contributions. For example, California and New York, two of the five most populous states implemented some of the earliest stay-at-home orders (along with New Jersey and Illinois...all Democrat governors I should add).

But for those other 8 countries, there are myriad other factors that could contribute to their high death rate. For example, Belgium, unlike the USA counts deaths due to covid even if they are "suspected deaths"; further, they have more people (per capita) in retirement homes than many other countries in Europe and this is where most deaths have occurred. Italy also has much more older people per capita than the USA, and again older people are more likely to die. The UK's response was delayed, initially irresponsible (e.g., initial calls for herd immunity) and centralized--no region as far as I know had a stay-at-home rule in effect so the whole region suffered due to a delayed and definitive message about how to mitigate the virus (folks in the UK can correct me if I'm wrong here). There are also density effects at play with respect to the number of large cities, etc. All of these things can lead to the tragic outcome of high per capita death rates.

But more importantly, exactly what has Trump done in a non-partisan healing way to help curb the virus? Can I get a comment on exactly what positive thing Trump has personally done to mitigate the spread of coronavirus in the USA? Was it the fake suggestion that Obama left him with zero ventilators? Was it the false suggestion that he banned travel from China? Was it the false claims that automakers were making ventilators on March 21 when they weren't? Was it his fake and irresponsible claims about injecting disinfectant? Was it his dubious claim about hydroxychloroquine? Was it the false claim that Trump inherited flawed coronavirus tests from the Obama administration? Was is the paranoid claim that testing was a partisan issue when in fact calls for more testing were coming from both sides of the aisle? Was it Trump's dismissal as "wrong" of the HHS report that over 300 hospitals wanted more tests? Was it the fact that Trump's campaign removed social distancing stickers from seats at their Tulsa rally? Was it the lack of social distancing restrictions at his Mount Rushmore speech?

I do agree with you that the USA's response isn't "the worst" though as we always can look to Brazil and their far-right Trump-admirer president Jair Bolsonaro.
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This part in bold is the most damning IMO. The population density of the UK is apparently 275 per sq km, in the US it’s only 35 per sq km. That’s almost 8x the density for the UK, yet their deaths per million is only about 50% higher than the US. In a pandemic where social distancing is thought to mean everything, and the US has a lot of that built into our lives, those numbers don’t reflect well at all on our handling of things.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
I'm not sure what that means :confused:
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Persons with overwhelming faith in markets as the sole engine of positive economic relations, who often seem to have a swashbuckling conception of the entrepreneur. The "liberaltarians" discussed in the article differ from the pure market triumphalist in their openness to redistributive policies, but all the redistribution is meant to occur after markets unhindered by regulation have done their work so the general populace remains subject to inequalities fostered by market relations and dependent on after-the-fact redistribution policy. If being liberal were a boat, being liberal about all things except business regulation would seem like a boat with a large hole in the bottom.

(I also probably have a warped view of techies, since so many of my contemporaries who became active in the tech sector seemed to have an ideological belief in the market as a positive good in itself. I was surprised to see such potent mystification coming from people whose math skills were so much better than my own.)
 
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