Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[TheFinnFan]

You seem to be saying he's allowed to say whatever he wants whenever he wants without every being held to account or criticised for it. Bizarre, tbh.

You assume a lot.

Do you to think Hillary should be held accountable on those lies in congressional hearings?

 

[tsubaki]

You seem to be saying he's allowed to say whatever he wants whenever he wants without every being held to account or criticised for it. Bizarre, tbh.

In what world were Trump's utterances during the election not held to account or criticized?

 

[dholliday]

He wasn't found "not guilty." He accepted liability and paid a $25 million penalty to his victims.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/19/us/politics/trump-university.html

Not quite true. Context is important. From the same article:

"The deal averts a potentially embarrassing and highly unusual predicament: a president-elect on trial, and possibly even taking the stand in his own defense, while scrambling to build his incoming administration.

It was a remarkable concession from a real estate mogul who derides legal settlements and has mocked fellow businessmen who agree to them.

The settlement is a significant reversal from Mr. Trump, who had steadfastly rejected the allegations and vowed to fight the lawsuits, asserting that students filled out evaluations showing they were mostly happy with what they had learned in seminars.

Trump had settled the case “without an acknowledgment of fault or liability.”

 

[TheFinnFan]

He sowed the seeds of distrust in the election results, and continued to do so post election, yet whines when anyone else does the same.

That isn't lack of political correctness, that is undermining principals of democracy and being a sore winner.

Who lectured about accepting election results? Who said it is direct attack to the core of democracy if one does not accept fair elecrion results.

 

[Prevenger17]

Mixed on the recounts, if it helps reestablish faith in the vote tallies fo future elevtions it is probably worth it but it is a hell of a lot of money.

Strongly disagree with the Russian stuff, if the security forces have evidence of Russian involvement it should be investigated and if proved true, systems put in place to avoid a repeat in future.

It wasn't direct Russian tampering though was it? It was the ill-timed leaks and such. All of which pales in comparison to the massed media ranks that pummelled Trump on a daily basis. The man is a terrible buffoon, but the political establishment have few to blame but themselves

 

[dholliday]

It wasn't direct Russian tampering though was it? It was the ill-timed leaks and such. All of which pales in comparison to the massed media ranks that pummelled Trump on a daily basis. The man is a terrible buffoon, but the political establishment have few to blame but themselves

This.

 

[abelard]

Not quite true. Context is important. From the same article:

"The deal averts a potentially embarrassing and highly unusual predicament: a president-elect on trial, and possibly even taking the stand in his own defense, while scrambling to build his incoming administration.

It was a remarkable concession from a real estate mogul who derides legal settlements and has mocked fellow businessmen who agree to them.

The settlement is a significant reversal from Mr. Trump, who had steadfastly rejected the allegations and vowed to fight the lawsuits, asserting that students filled out evaluations showing they were mostly happy with what they had learned in seminars.

Trump had settled the case “without an acknowledgment of fault or liability.”

That's what Trump's lawyer said. The prosecution said this: "I am pleased that under the terms of this settlement, every victim will receive restitution and that Donald Trump will pay up to $1 million in penalties to the State of New York for violating state education laws,” Mr. Schneiderman said in a statement."

Semantics again. To me, paying 25$ million as a penalty for violating state education laws is obviously an acknowledgement of liability, regardless of what you instruct your lawyer to claim as a hollow, face-saving gesture.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Who lectured about accepting election results? Who said it is direct attack to the core of democracy if one does not accept fair elecrion results.

I am accepting the election results! My major problem is that Trump is directly responsible for causing a lot ofmthis distrust and stll continues to pour oil on the fire with his bizarre popular vote claims.

Perhaps if he did a presidential thing and said that both vote tallies were fair a lot of people could move on.

 

[dholliday]

That's what Trump's lawyer said. The prosecution said this: "I am pleased that under the terms of this settlement, every victim will receive restitution and that Donald Trump will pay up to $1 million in penalties to the State of New York for violating state education laws,” Mr. Schneiderman said in a statement."

Semantics again. To me, paying 25$ million as a penalty for violating state education laws is obviously an acknowledgement of liability, regardless of what you instruct your lawyer to claim as a hollow, face-saving gesture.

Either semantics or just judging something from a different perspective. Trump would've fought this and, looking at his record, probably won in the end, had he not had the distracting (and unexpected) business of running a world superpower coming up.

 

[Clint Planet]

Oh, he's prone to tremendous amounts of toy-throwing himself, no doubt. But it doesn't change the fact that he is the next US president through a democratic process the US has had in place for a long time.

No, but it does make you wonder if he's actually fit to govern.

The implication of Russian involvement, the demand for recounts, it's all a bit unsavoury

...and something that Trump himself would never stoop to.

 

[LinekersLegs]

It wasn't direct Russian tampering though was it? It was the ill-timed leaks and such. All of which pales in comparison to the massed media ranks that pummelled Trump on a daily basis. The man is a terrible buffoon, but the political establishment have few to blame but themselves

Oh the political establishment have a lot to blame.

But personally feel that if a foreign government hacked into systems and selectively distributed that data to try to affect an election result then, regardless of how much an impact you felt it did or didn't make, strenuous efforts should be make to avoid a repeat.

 

[Clint Planet]

In what world were Trump's utterances during the election not held to account or criticized?

If you look back, you'll see I was specifically referring to Finners' somewhat forgiving attitude to Trump.

 

[TheFinnFan]

I am accepting the election results! My major problem is that Trump is directly responsible for causing a lot ofmthis distrust and stll continues to pour oil on the fire with his bizarre popular vote claims.

Perhaps if he did a presidential thing and said that both vote tallies were fair a lot of people could move on.

You have a point. Trump loves to stirr peeps up. He's not presidental at all in that perspective.

 

[dholliday]

If you look back, you'll see I was specifically referring to Finners' somewhat forgiving attitude to Trump.

Finn is often too far on one side, but then your posts these last couple of days are too far the other way. It's like a microcosm of the whole us & them thing which has defined debate these last 12 months.

It's tempting to post passionately about something one really believes in, it's an emotive energy that people instinctively can get behind. But I honestly don't think such debate methods help our understanding in any meaningful way.

More cool neutrality, more nuanced analysis, is required if any of us wish to understand the bigger picture.

 

[abelard]

Finn is often too far on one side, but then your posts these last couple of days are too far the other way. It's like a microcosm of the whole us & them thing which has defined debate these last 12 months.

It's tempting to post passionately about something one really believes in, it's an emotive energy that people instinctively can get behind. But I honestly don't think such debate methods help our understanding in any meaningful way.

More cool neutrality, more nuanced analysis, is required if any of us wish to understand the bigger picture.

your posts always remind me of that saying " a Liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel." or #economistbookreviews.

I bet I can even guess your response.

in jest,
; )