Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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dholliday said:
Wow! I thought the problem was the exact opposite. You even replied to me today about it: that Obama couldn't affect much positive change as his hands were often tied.

But now that it's Trump's turn, suddenly he's the man with all the power? Trump has some very unpopular policies planned if you're a hawkian Republican, and also if Democrats regroup and regain some influence he may find his hands just as tied as Obama's were.


But I get it: one rule for Obama, another rule for Trump. One can deport 3 million illegals without criticism, and one cannot.




Goldman Sachs? You mean this Goldman Sachs?



But I get it, it's ok if Hilary involved herself with them, but not ok if Trump does it.




If Hilary won, would you not even see the train then?




I don't think he will be, I hope he will be and will watch what happens with interest.
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The president has a lot of power to wield in foreign policies but far less on domestic bills that go through the house/senate so they can be simultaneously hogtied and devastatingly disruptive. Trump's character matters hugely for some domestic issues that it appears you care about - freedom of the press and free speech in general. Trump has exhibited authoritarian tendencies in that sphere throughout both the primary and this transition period.

There is a significant difference between deporting illegal aliens that have just crossed the border (Obama's policy) and Trump's proposals of deporting millions who have lived here for years including the "dreamer" children many of whom know of no other country than the USA despite all having the label illegal aliens. Perhaps when it actually come to it those proposals won't be implemented but as a resident of an area that has a large number of the latter illegal aliens it would be hugely disruptive not just to families involved but the entire local economy in a way Obama's policy isn't so to say they should be treated the same is daft.
 
dholliday said:
Wow! I thought the problem was the exact opposite. You even replied to me today about it: that Obama couldn't affect much positive change as his hands were often tied.

But now that it's Trump's turn, suddenly he's the man with all the power? Trump has some very unpopular policies planned if you're a hawkian Republican, and also if Democrats regroup and regain some influence he may find his hands just as tied as Obama's were.


But I get it: one rule for Obama, another rule for Trump. One can deport 3 million illegals without criticism, and one cannot.
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The President can do almost anything he wants to in foreign policy. Obama has been relatively restrained, despite Congress all but demanding he find someone to bomb in Syria, if even just for its own sake.

I do not expect Trump to show a similar amount of maturity and restraint. Foreign policy on one hand, and getting things approved in Congress on the other, are two very different realms, as anyone who reads about US politics is well aware.

dholliday said:
Goldman Sachs? You mean this Goldman Sachs?



But I get it, it's ok if Hilary involved herself with them, but not ok if Trump does it.
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that's your best move? lol

I have never said it was okay for Hillary. I am not a Hillary supporter, except against Trump. I can not imagine that Hillary would dare to be so brazen though.

Right, midnight here, off to bed.
 
LinekersLegs said:
The president has a lot of power to wield in foreign policies but far less on domestic bills that go through the house/senate so they can be simultaneously hogtied and devastatingly disruptive. Trump's character matters hugely for some domestic issues that it appears you care about - freedom of the press and free speech in general. Trump has exhibited authoritarian tendencies in that sphere throughout both the primary and this transition period.

There is a significant difference between deporting illegal aliens that have just crossed the border (Obama's policy) and Trump's proposals of deporting millions who have lived here for years including the "dreamer" children many of whom know of no other country than the USA despite all having the label illegal aliens. Perhaps when it actually come to it those proposals won't be implemented but as a resident of an area that has a large number of the latter illegal aliens it would be hugely disruptive not just to families involved but the entire local economy in a way Obama's policy isn't so to say they should be treated the same is daft.
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as ever, good reading your posts LL. Agree with the above pretty much if it's true Obama's deportations weren't disruptive like you say.

Trump is an enigma and whether he's been authoritarian in matters free press depends on what day you caught him. On another day he's praising Wikileaks. Of course, he says whatever best fits his agenda for the day, I'm not pretending that's not the case. But I am keeping an open mind as to his Presidency overall.
 
abelard said:
The President can do almost anything he wants to in foreign policy. Obama has been relatively restrained, despite Congress all but demanding he find someone to bomb in Syria, if even just for its own sake.

I do not expect Trump to show a similar amount of maturity and restraint. Foreign policy on one hand, and getting things approved in Congress on the other, are two very different realms, as anyone who reads about US politics is well aware.

that's your best move? lol

I have never said it was okay for Hillary. I am not a Hillary supporter, except against Trump. I can not imagine that Hillary would dare to be so brazen though.

Right, midnight here, off to bed.
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I'm not a Trump supporter either, would've gone for Stein if I had the vote.

n'night mate.
 
dholliday said:
as ever, good reading your posts LL. Agree with the above pretty much if it's true Obama's deportations weren't disruptive like you say.

Trump is an enigma and whether he's been authoritarian in matters free press depends on what day you caught him. On another day he's praising Wikileaks. Of course, he says whatever best fits his agenda for the day, I'm not pretending that's not the case. But I am keeping an open mind as to his Presidency overall.
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And I am trying to, he whether I like it or not is my president.

But a lot of what concerned me most about Trump during the election seems to be happening post election.
 
neil999 said:
Your gonna have to accept the reality at some point re russia
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Im absolutely sure this is nothing but last attempt to smear Trump and discrediting the election result. Even FBI stated that theres no evidence of Kreml directing anything concerning US election.
CIA is more 'flexible' organisation.. they can talk and assume differently. Clinton and Obama desperately trying to convince THEM SELVES really rather than the puplic that russians are behind this all.....because they just cant allow them selves to admit what american people just did to them.

"I dont believe Trump will be our new president....why.....because I believe in America"
-Obama
 
TheFinnFan said:
Im absolutely sure this is nothing but last attempt to smear Trump and discrediting the election result. Even FBI stated that theres no evidence of Kreml directing anything concerning US election.
CIA is more 'flexible' organisation.. they can talk and assume differently. Clinton and Obama desperately trying to convince THEM SELVES really rather than the puplic that russians are behind this all.....because they just cant allow them selves to admit what american people just did to them.

"I dont believe Trump will be our new president....why.....because I believe in America"
-Obama
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No Finn, you can believe both that Russia meddled in the election and that Trump is the rightful president, why does it have to be either/or?
 
TheFinnFan said:
Im absolutely sure this is nothing but last attempt to smear Trump and discrediting the election result. Even FBI stated that theres no evidence of Kreml directing anything concerning US election.
CIA is more 'flexible' organisation.. they can talk and assume differently. Clinton and Obama desperately trying to convince THEM SELVES really rather than the puplic that russians are behind this all.....because they just cant allow them selves to admit what american people just did to them.

"I dont believe Trump will be our new president....why.....because I believe in America"
-Obama
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Have 'people' said that? sad!
 
LinekersLegs said:
No Finn, you can believe both that Russia meddled in the election and that Trump is the rightful president, why does it have to be either/or?
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Thats true but I think we will see soon that this Russian case is just another one in long list of force fed narratives that were seen during this election
 
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