Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[abelard]

Well, a lot of struggling alienated people around me wouldn't be living in fear of family members being deported.

they most certainly would.

as has been noted on here many times, mass deportation was also a staple of the Obama era, breaking all previous records.

there's little reason to think the core approach would have fundamentally changed under Clinton (and to some extent, under even Sanders); instead, it would only have been pursued more professionally and less crudely - no family separation, for instance - and sold in a different way, to a different set of constituents.

 

[Ruairi77]

they most certainly would.

as has been noted on here many times, mass deportation was also a staple of the Obama era, breaking all previous records.

there's little reason to think the core approach would have fundamentally changed under Clinton (and to some extent, under even Sanders); instead, it would only have been pursued more professionally and less crudely - no family separation, for instance - and sold in a different way, to a different set of constituents.

Obama had prioritized law breakers, serious cases.
That's not the case anymore.
There are phone trees and email chains around me where people report ICE patrols on adjacent streets.
People are being picked up for deportation at immigration hearings.
There's a fear that's there now. It's new and very intentional on Trumps part. This wouldn't have happened under Clinton or Sanders.
My town is a sanctuary city with an outspoken mayor (Somerville MA) so we come in for special ICE attention.
I deal a bit with the immigrant community (documented and undocumented) and there's been a huge change in fear levels experienced by families of undocumented people.

 

[abelard]

Medicaid work requirements are a pretty tangible hit to those struggling not to mention the botched Puerto Rico hurricane response.

The Trump admin has multiple times tried to undermine programs that particularly help the poor such as proposing SNAP work requirements, Ben Carson’s rent increases and the revisions to the ACA. They haven’t succeeded on all so far but their aim has been clear and unfortunately they are likely to at least attempt more gutting.

That's true enough, but it's missing the forest for the trees. Successful politics hinges on inspiring people, and telling them stories they can identify with. Trump achieved this (as did Sanders, and Obama).

It is easy to forget, but it was not clear until after he was elected that Trump would prove too lazy to attempt anything other than forfeiting all policy to Koch Brothers' drones; the main reason why 95% of erstwhile Never-Trumpers feared him was because they thought he actually might attempt Medicare-for-all, the repudiation of permanent war, or a campaign against Goldman Sachs and Wall Street.

Clinton's enduring message, on the other hand, was "America is already great" - that 'We are the party of virtue, and for you lot, that should be its own reward.'

That two years on, all we can offer in her defence is not "we would have dramatically improved things", but only "we would have left everything the same, and wouldn't have done some of the bad very things" explains everything.

 

[LinekersLegs]

they most certainly would.

as has been noted on here many times, mass deportation was also a staple of the Obama era, breaking all previous records.

there's little reason to think the core approach would have fundamentally changed under Clinton (and to some extent, under even Sanders); instead, it would only have been pursued more professionally and less crudely - no family separation, for instance - and sold in a different way, to a different set of constituents.

There was a change in Obama policies over his term and a shift in focus from just general deportations to focusing more on those with a criminal history. Think it likely that Clinton would have continued that latter policy rather than Trump’s returning to a more widespread deportation program.

Also doubt a Clinton admin would have tried to invalidate DACA, ripped up the Temporary Protected Status of longtime residents from S America or implemented the Muslim travel ban.

 

[Ruairi77]

the main reason why 95% of erstwhile Never-Trumpers feared him was because they thought he actually might attempt Medicare-for-all, the repudiation of permanent war, or a campaign against Goldman Sachs and Wall Street.

Sorry man, I don't think this is accurate at all.
I presume you're referring to Republican 'never Trumpers'. I would say the majority disapproved of him based on how unsuitable he was for the job, because of pussygate etc. Policy was a factor but nowhere near 95%, maybe 45%
In fact the ones that disagreed with him on policy are probably still 'never trumpers', where as a lot who loathed his personality may have come round.

 

[LinekersLegs]

That's true enough, but it's missing the forest for the trees. Successful politics hinges on inspiring people, and telling them stories they can identify with. Trump achieved this (as did Sanders, and Obama).

It is easy to forget, but it was not clear until after he was elected that Trump would prove too lazy to attempt anything other than forfeiting all policy to Koch brothers' drones; the main reason why 95% of erstwhile Never-Trumpers feared him was because they thought he actually might attempt Medicare-for-all, the repudiation of permanent war, or a campaign against Goldman Sachs and Wall Street.

Clinton's enduring message, on the other hand, was "America is already great" - that 'We are the party of virtue, and for you lot, that should be its own reward.'

That two years on, all we can offer in her defence is not "we would have dramatically improved things", but only "we would have left everything the same, and wouldn't have done some of the bad very things" explains everything.

It is difficult to know what would have been able to be implemented if either Dem candidate had won, especially since Republicans would have been in charge of Congress - a lot of both their policy proposals wouldn’t have been able to get past the House.

I agree that Clinton was not an inspiring candidate but even if all we can say is “wouldn’t have done the very bad things” that is still pretty significant to those affected by the very bad policies.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[DanEFC92]

"bomb" in quotes.

The Alex Jones president.

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[DanEFC92]

Jeesus

 

[Ruairi77]

Jeesus

aw man, cant get to see what Mick McCarthy had to say about it!

 

[Ruairi77]

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[DanEFC92]

aw man, cant get to see what Mick McCarthy had to say about it!

 

[DanEFC92]

SMH