BirkenheadBlue
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That wasn't an "official statement" about anything that's happened recently... pretty sure
Wishful thinking, unfortunately.
Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon
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I dunno man, If Mueller can prove beyond doubt that Trump knew that a foreign power had hacked his opponents email, didnt report it to the FBI and used it against Clinton, while at the same time his campaign was meeting with foreign powers under the auspice that they 'have dirt on Clinton', it's fairly damning, even for Trump.
Add to this that if the Dems take the house, they can access Trumps taxes and back up some of the NYT reporting on tax evasion and things could get quite sticky for Don.
BirkenheadBlue
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Oh I don't doubt it'd be damning.
I just doubt there being any chance of Republicans doing anything about it.
Maybe, MAYBE they put their weight behind someone different for 2020, but that's the absolute max I can see coming from them
The key factor imo will be the economy, it is what most people judge a president by.IMO nailed on, alas
Which is a bit odd as macro business cycles are something that they have very little control over but “it’s the economy stupid” seems an enduring rationale.
BirkenheadBlue
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The economy is (or was, until the last few days) doing great if you're already wealthy with a large stock portfolio.
Wages are stagnant if not regressing slightly - and yet Trump's supporters seem to be touting how great the economy is, even though they themselves are seeing little of it. It's all very weird...
Going to be interesting to see what the midterm results in some of the bluecollar areas that swung from Obama to Trump are - the unemployment rate has gone down a lot but as you say it hasn’t been reflected in wage growth and the effects of interest rates and tariffs are beginning to show up in day to day costs.
Especially for older people, the only thing they care about is the stock market for their 401k plans. For them, that's "the economy".
If the market continues to decline in the next couple of weeks, they'll view it as "the economy" is falling apart.
This is the crux of the problem. Mueller can have definitive proof that Trump colluded with Trump, but his supporters won't care. They'd just argue the ends justified the means (Making America Great Again, no matter how ironic that statement.)
Scary times indeed.
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Today, I don't see anyone, Republican or Democrat, who could take on Trump and win, either for the Republican nomination or the general election. That is sad to me.
For the Republicans, no one will mount an effective primary challenge unless the House is holding credible impeachment hearings (not just Democratic whining). For the Democrats, the best shot right now would be Joe Biden, as he could probably bridge the different ways this campaign would go - he would have to do "hope and change" for the left wing of the Democrats, trade punches with Trump, and satisfy enough centrists of both parties. That's a tall order.
There are some Democrats that have a future in this business, I think - Kamala Harris is impressive to me - but none of them show today that they could compete effectively in 2020.
For the Republicans, no one will mount an effective primary challenge unless the House is holding credible impeachment hearings (not just Democratic whining). For the Democrats, the best shot right now would be Joe Biden, as he could probably bridge the different ways this campaign would go - he would have to do "hope and change" for the left wing of the Democrats, trade punches with Trump, and satisfy enough centrists of both parties. That's a tall order.
There are some Democrats that have a future in this business, I think - Kamala Harris is impressive to me - but none of them show today that they could compete effectively in 2020.
Though the economy was strong when Obama left office, suggesting Clinton should have been a shoo-in. But [Poor language removed]-grabber managed to steal the election using racist scapegoating and false accusations.
Yeah, not too many good Dems out there that can strategically be put up against Trump. Plenty of qualified ones (Warren, for example) but she doesn't stand a chance against Trump.
BirkenheadBlue
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Really though?
Trump lost the popular vote by ~3m votes against a candidate with historically high levels of baggage (not to mention the likes of the FBI investigation etc etc), and won the electoral college by ~75,000 votes across three states (~0.6% of the vote across those states).
He's maintained historic levels of unpopularity.
Don't think it's unreasonable to think there's people out there who could make up that razor thin margin.
tsubaki
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Whilst he obviously did that, the idea that he stole the election is not really one that is either sustainable or helpful to the Democrats.
She was both a bad candidate and she ran a bad campaign. Her emails became an issue because her campaign never managed to come up with a plausible reason why she had that server at home; the DNC leak became an issue because the content of those emails was what they were actually saying. That they were reduced to lying about her collapse at that 9/11 memorial and even that was exposed as a lie within about two hours demonstrated how bad they were.
That noone has managed to come through yet as a plausible 2020 candidate is perhaps not entirely un-related to the fact that many of the people responsible for 2016 have not yet acknowledged their responsiblility for it.
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