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[Ruairi77]

I think any reasonable Dem has a chance in 2020.
Clinton lost because of poor turn out / apathy, that wont be the case in 2020.
If Warren can push through all this Pocahontas BS and get her proposals out there she has a good chance of uniting moderate and leftwing Dems as well as right minded independents. If O'Rourke loses to Cruze, he could run! He has the personality that Americans seem to want. Chris Murphy could be another.
I think it's time for a woman to be POTUS so for me, at the moment it's between Warren and Harris.

 

[Ruairi77]

Whilst he obviously did that, the idea that he stole the election is not really one that is either sustainable or helpful to the Democrats.

She was both a bad candidate and she ran a bad campaign. Her emails became an issue because her campaign never managed to come up with a plausible reason why she had that server at home; the DNC leak became an issue because the content of those emails was what they were actually saying. That they were reduced to lying about her collapse at that 9/11 memorial and even that was exposed as a lie within about two hours demonstrated how bad they were.

That noone has managed to come through yet as a plausible 2020 candidate is perhaps not entirely un-related to the fact that many of the people responsible for 2016 have not yet acknowledged their responsiblility for it.

I think the fact no one plausible has come through is because they are well aware of GOP behavior, there'll be a strong field but they'll all keep their powder dry as long as possible.

 

[verreauxi]

Whilst he obviously did that, the idea that he stole the election is not really one that is either sustainable or helpful to the Democrats.

She was both a bad candidate and she ran a bad campaign. Her emails became an issue because her campaign never managed to come up with a plausible reason why she had that server at home; the DNC leak became an issue because the content of those emails was what they were actually saying. That they were reduced to lying about her collapse at that 9/11 memorial and even that was exposed as a lie within about two hours demonstrated how bad they were.

That noone has managed to come through yet as a plausible 2020 candidate is perhaps not entirely un-related to the fact that many of the people responsible for 2016 have not yet acknowledged their responsiblility for it.

I agree, "steal" was written in haste. Poor word choice on my part. And I'm certainly on record saying Clinton was a strategically bad candidate to run against any Republican.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

I think any reasonable Dem has a chance in 2020.
Clinton lost because of poor turn out / apathy, that wont be the case in 2020.
If Warren can push through all this Pocahontas BS and get her proposals out there she has a good chance of uniting moderate and leftwing Dems as well as right minded independents. If O'Rourke loses to Cruze, he could run! He has the personality that Americans seem to want. Chris Murphy could be another.
I think it's time for a woman to be POTUS so for me, at the moment it's between Warren and Harris.

I think the nominee needs to be more of an outsider, someone similar to Obama in 2008. He was up and coming and wasn't in the public consciousness for a long enough time for people to be sick of him yet

I fear that would be the case with someone like Warren. I'm also pessimistic about someone that can be viewed as someone that speaks too much "liberal rhetoric", like Harris.

Then again, I was way wrong in 2016. I thought Bernie would turn too many people off and that centrist Hillary was safe b/c we would just sail along status quo. I badly misjudged how much the GOP hated the Clintons and how much many poeple hate women in power. While Hillary certainly won't win any points from a likability factor, she undoubtedly had the resume for POTUS

 

[Ruairi77]

I think the nominee needs to be more of an outsider, someone similar to Obama in 2008. He was up and coming and wasn't in the public consciousness for a long enough time for people to be sick of him yet

I fear that would be the case with someone like Warren. I'm also pessimistic about someone that can be viewed as someone that speaks too much "liberal rhetoric", like Harris.

Then again, I was way wrong in 2016. I thought Bernie would turn too many people off and that centrist Hillary was safe b/c we would just sail along status quo. I badly misjudged how much the GOP hated the Clintons and how much many poeple hate women in power. While Hillary certainly won't win any points from a likability factor, she undoubtedly had the resume for POTUS

yea, another thing I found mad is how Hillary supporters despise Sanders supporters.
I was a Sanders fan who voted for Hillary in the general election.
As soon as the results came in, I got a lot of crap thrown my way about how it was Sanders fault. I still get it off hillary supporters. Honestly, I've never seen the likes of it before.
Anyway, kinda off point but there needs to be a candidate that wont divide the opposition.

 

[LinekersLegs]

yea, another thing I found mad is how Hillary supporters despise Sanders supporters.
I was a Sanders fan who voted for Hillary in the general election.
As soon as the results came in, I got a lot of crap thrown my way about how it was Sanders fault. I still get it off hillary supporters. Honestly, I've never seen the likes of it before.
Anyway, kinda off point but there needs to be a candidate that wont divide the opposition.

FWIW I’ve yet to find anyone who doesn’t like Amy Klobuchar - one of the most popular senators in the country https://morningconsult.com/2018/07/25/americas-most-and-least-popular-senators-2/ and even seen quite a few Republicans praise her.

Whether she a) runs b) has good policy proposals c ) is considered “too nice” and d) favorability survives wider exposure are tbd but I from what I’ve seen so far she might be an interesting candidate.

 

[Ruairi77]

FWIW I’ve yet to find anyone who doesn’t like Amy Klobuchar - one of the most popular senators in the country https://morningconsult.com/2018/07/25/americas-most-and-least-popular-senators-2/ and even seen quite a few Republicans praise her.

Whether she a) runs b) has good policy proposals c ) is considered “too nice” and d) favorability survives wider exposure are tbd but I from what I’ve seen so far she might be an interesting candidate.

but has she ever blacked out? kidding, yea, I like her, I read Frankens book a while back and she came off really well. Good shout.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Whilst he obviously did that, the idea that he stole the election is not really one that is either sustainable or helpful to the Democrats.

She was both a bad candidate and she ran a bad campaign. Her emails became an issue because her campaign never managed to come up with a plausible reason why she had that server at home; the DNC leak became an issue because the content of those emails was what they were actually saying. That they were reduced to lying about her collapse at that 9/11 memorial and even that was exposed as a lie within about two hours demonstrated how bad they were.

That noone has managed to come through yet as a plausible 2020 candidate is perhaps not entirely un-related to the fact that many of the people responsible for 2016 have not yet acknowledged their responsiblility for it.

I'd say it's more to do with the fact that the field will be very wide. Half the party will be running.

We're 2 years out from the election, 18 months from the Primaries. I just don't agree with the idea that there's some intense urgency for there to already be a frontrunner.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

yea, another thing I found mad is how Hillary supporters despise Sanders supporters.
I was a Sanders fan who voted for Hillary in the general election.
As soon as the results came in, I got a lot of crap thrown my way about how it was Sanders fault. I still get it off hillary supporters. Honestly, I've never seen the likes of it before.
Anyway, kinda off point but there needs to be a candidate that wont divide the opposition.

I wouldn't say it was Sanders' fault at all. I think there's a bit of anger at the fact that a decent number of Sanders supporters (according to research) DIDN'T then go out and vote for Hillary in the General - either didn't vote or voted for Stein... and with the margins so fine it is one thing (of many) that may have made a difference.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Newt really likes saying the quiet part loud doesn’t he.

 

[verreauxi]

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[Pittsburgh Footy]

I wouldn't say it was Sanders' fault at all. I think there's a bit of anger at the fact that a decent number of Sanders supporters (according to research) DIDN'T then go out and vote for Hillary in the General - either didn't vote or voted for Stein... and with the margins so fine it is one thing (of many) that may have made a difference.

I agree. So childish to do when the opposition was Donald Trump.

The adult thing to do was to suck it up and vote for Hillary.

Sanders people that didn't vote are also culpable for this mess we're in

 

[abelard]

this is based on the assumption that Sanders voters who didn't vote for Hillary were all millennial Bernie Bros who spurned her in a petulant fit of pique

but it is far more likely the case that these voters were instead disaffected people who had never considered voting Democrat, or even voting, before Sanders dared offer a meaningful alternative.

for all the sound and the fury, it is difficult to think of ways in which the lives of America's millions of struggling, alienated people would be tangibly better off had Hillary won instead.

and that, more than anything else, is why she did not win.

 

[Ruairi77]

this is based on the assumption that Sanders voters who didn't vote for Hillary were all millennial Bernie Bros who spurned her in a petulant fit of pique

but it is far more likely the case that these voters were instead disaffected people who had never considered voting Democrat, or even voting, before Sanders dared offer a meaningful alternative.

for all the sound and the fury, it is difficult to think of ways in which the lives of America's millions of struggling, alienated people would be tangibly better off had Hillary won instead.

and that, more than anything else, is why she did not win.

Well, a lot of struggling alienated people around me wouldn't be living in fear of family members being deported.

 

[LinekersLegs]

this is based on the assumption that Sanders voters who didn't vote for Hillary were all millennial Bernie Bros who spurned her in a petulant fit of pique

but it is far more likely the case that these voters were instead disaffected people who had never considered voting Democrat, or even voting, before Sanders dared offer a meaningful alternative.

for all the sound and the fury, it is difficult to think of ways in which the lives of America's millions of struggling, alienated people would be tangibly better off had Hillary won instead.

and that, more than anything else, is why she did not win.

Medicaid work requirements are a pretty tangible hit to those struggling not to mention the botched Puerto Rico hurricane response.

The Trump admin has multiple times tried to undermine programs that particularly help the poor such as proposing SNAP work requirements, Ben Carson’s rent increases and the revisions to the ACA. They haven’t succeeded on all so far but their aim has been clear and unfortunately they are likely to at least attempt more gutting.