Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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Hey I was targeted straight away when all I said was I think Trump is doing okay and is shaking up the establishment. The first reference to snow flakes was meant to be the left liberal who get into states of hysteria(I find that funny) so I give it back!! Seriously some of his policies make sense, some do not and he does come across as crass and OTT. But digging deep down he seems to want only legal immigrants who go through a process, Mexico are one of the strictest with their immigration laws, why does trump get slaughtered for trying to apply the law and keep his citizens safe.

Targeted? Really are you that paranoid?

Here are your first posts and responses to two people who asked and posed reasonable points to your nonsense:

I have taken the liberty to highlight the incoherent points where you decide to essentially attack liberals and take it low brow.

" Only just browsed this thread, I think Trump is doing pretty well so far. Love the fact he has shook up the establishment, I think the average person was sick to death of being ignored in their own country, but the cherry on top has to be seeing all these liberal snowflakes exploding with anger doing their best to ignore democracy and getting nowhere.."
" Sanders being told to leave the restaurant is so petty and it’s the liberals way of spitting their dummies out. Maxine waters basically spouting bile about intimidating even erring on using force to hound Trumps cabinet is another thing that makes me see the left as spoilt can’t get our own way so let’s use force cry babies. I think we needed this big shake up so we can see what liberals are really like. Would you have preferred Hilary as president?"
" And where’s your empathy for genuine American citizens who are raped and killed by the illegal aliens."
"Aaahhhh shut down the speech you don’t like you lefty liberal probably Anita member bye bye sugar plum"

At no point did you give a solid rebuttal or point to the two who questioned your initial point. All you have done is repeat the rhetoric the likes of fox news and his hardened supporters have done.

Like i said to you 3 pages ago your sole intention was to try wind up liberals. You came in here quoting Trump word for word pretending you gave a damn and have done nothing but try to get reaction instead getting shut down and then getting upset yourself.
 
"Wasn't Obama doing that"

No, stop watching Fox News.

The Obama administration separated kids from those who brought them in if there was a credible belief that the child was in danger, or the parent (for example) was suspected of a serious/violent crime.

The Trump administration separated families as a matter of course, for a crime which is the legal equivalent of a traffic violation. (and a crime which they themselves made more common/widely carried out by slow rolling asylum seekers' attempts to enter the country through the official routes to claim asylum).
Seriously I do not watch that much Fox News, I know they are basically strong to conservative side just like CNN are strong to the left side. I’ll try and dig up some scources explaining this, bit I’m not sure how you post the links or even if I’m allowed. But if your evidence is from CNN I’m not going to believe it.
 
I can tell you without googling, I would not like to have a pint with someone like you. If you quit with your insults I’ll properly discuss Trump and guess what I might even agree that some of his policy making you show me that I’m not in favour of. But not everything is black and white in the real world is it.
are you trying to chat with me or not?
 
Targeted? Really are you that paranoid?

Here are your first posts and responses to two people who asked and posed reasonable points to your nonsense:

I have taken the liberty to highlight the incoherent points where you decide to essentially attack liberals and take it low brow.

" Only just browsed this thread, I think Trump is doing pretty well so far. Love the fact he has shook up the establishment, I think the average person was sick to death of being ignored in their own country, but the cherry on top has to be seeing all these liberal snowflakes exploding with anger doing their best to ignore democracy and getting nowhere.."
" Sanders being told to leave the restaurant is so petty and it’s the liberals way of spitting their dummies out. Maxine waters basically spouting bile about intimidating even erring on using force to hound Trumps cabinet is another thing that makes me see the left as spoilt can’t get our own way so let’s use force cry babies. I think we needed this big shake up so we can see what liberals are really like. Would you have preferred Hilary as president?"
" And where’s your empathy for genuine American citizens who are raped and killed by the illegal aliens."
"Aaahhhh shut down the speech you don’t like you lefty liberal probably Anita member bye bye sugar plum"

At no point did you give a solid rebuttal or point to the two who questioned your initial point. All you have done is repeat the rhetoric the likes of fox news and his hardened supporters have done.

Like i said to you 3 pages ago your sole intention was to try wind up liberals. You came in here quoting Trump word for word pretending you gave a damn and have done nothing but try to get reaction instead getting shut down and then getting upset yourself.
The targeted liberals were in the main stream not in here until I got some strange replies. Read through the responses on here mate.. I’m not getting upset or paranoid just pointing out things.
 
are you trying to chat with me or not?
Quid pro quo! I suppose. You can disagree with what I say and say why I’m wrong and show me your point but to straight away name call me Is going to get the same response only. I’m interested in other people’s thoughts and reasons why they hate trump so much, while I honestly don’t think he’s that Bad..
 
The targeted liberals were in the main stream not in here until I got some strange replies. Read through the responses on here mate.. I’m not getting upset or paranoid just pointing out things.

You said "I was targeted straight away"

No one targeted you. Both first replies you got were civil and posed genuine points of discussion both were fair rebuttal to your post defense of Trump.

You were the one that got uptight and started flinging the insults when they picked holes in your point.

You made your point about Trump and immigration but after that decided that calling names and playing the victim was better than giving more rebuttal or structured points. It's like you were out of points to make.
 
You said "I was targeted straight away"

No one targeted you. Both first replies you got were civil and posed genuine points of discussion both were fair rebuttal to your post defense of Trump.

You were the one that got uptight and started flinging the insults when they picked holes in your point.

You made your point about Trump and immigration but after that decided that calling names and playing the victim was better than giving more rebuttal or structured points. It's like you were out of points to make.[/
Did I.. No Victim cards here mate, you are putting these words down. Just telling how I saw it. You can Twist all you want, hey if you lot think I’m on a troll or something I’ll [Poor language removed] from this thread!
 
Did I.. No Victim cards here mate, you are putting these words down. Just telling how I saw it. You can Twist all you want, hey if you lot think I’m on a troll or something I’ll [Poor language removed] from this thread!

I think the above is what you were trying to post as i think you may have deleted one of the parenthesis

Anyway mate you mentioned being targeted by others not me. You didn't like responses you got from others and called them names or tried to put them down...

I quoted and posted what you said already verbatim.

I am twisting nothing.

You came in here all guns blazing trying to rattle "snowflake liberals" (your words) and failed. You talked about "winning" and kept up with the childish remarks and now are doing a 180 in an attempt to make it look like we are "targeting" you.

What did you expect in a thread were people post stuff that annoys them about the Potus and his administration? You expect no come back or rebuttal? You realise the majority of posters are most likely left leaning right? Insulting lefties is probably not a good idea especially if your Trump argument lacks substance and your follow up seems to be highly dubious and inaccurate.
 
I think the above is what you were trying to post as i think you may have deleted one of the parenthesis

Anyway mate you mentioned being targeted by others not me. You didn't like responses you got from others and called them names or tried to put them down...

I quoted and posted what you said already verbatim.

I am twisting nothing.

You came in here all guns blazing trying to rattle "snowflake liberals" (your words) and failed. You talked about "winning" and kept up with the childish remarks and now are doing a 180 in an attempt to make it look like we are "targeting" you.

What did you expect in a thread were people post stuff that annoys them about the Potus and his administration? You expect no come back or rebuttal? You realise the majority of posters are most likely left leaning right? Insulting lefties is probably not a good idea especially if your Trump argument lacks substance and your follow up seems to be highly dubious and inaccurate.
Look only dished it back. On a side note when I try to link something it seems to disappear. It seemed I was fair game for doling out undertones of rascim so I replied in kind stereotypical stuff I suppose of left liberals. Like I said before if the majority think I’m on a troll I’ll gladly leave the thread. Once you reach a certain age in my experience you no longer stay with your parents politics mine were staunch labour, Dad was a union representative. But I got sick of what it has turned into and feel it no longer represents the working man or the man that wants to better themselves, that’s why for first time ever I voted Tory and have more leanings to conservatives. USA and Uk left seem to have the same make up in them and I don’t like it. Yeah probably should know as born scouser Evertonion this thread was not going to welcome me.
 
Apparently our successful businessman who claims to have read through all the posts here must have missed this important post regarding Obama and the family separation issue. But what would I know, I'm a young college kid. His dad was union you know...


FROM: http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2018/06/zero-tolerance-immigration-primer

I think most know, but in case people don’t, I’m an immigration lawyer. Made the switch about 2 years ago after a career in which I mostly did patent and trademark litigation. I’m currently a solo practitioner in the DC area and the majority of my clients are asylum-seekers from El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala. I’ve tried – and even won – asylum trials in immigration court, and have interviewed literally thousands of undocumented individuals to hear their stories and evaluate the merits of their cases.

Prior to zero tolerance (I’ll just use ZT to denote going forward), a mother and 2 sons leave El Salvador because of gang violence or domestic violence. They pay a “coyote” to take them and a bunch of other folks to the US border. These are mostly people with second grade educations, and they know [Poor language removed] all about US immigration law. They cross the border and are apprehended. Pretty much 100% of border crossers in 2018 are apprehended, and it’s been that way since about 2010. All the “border security” measures that have gone into effect since 2005 when GWB proposed an amnesty have increased the number of border patrol and the technology they use to patrol. Of the thousands of undocumented individuals I have interacted with, literally not a single one entered the US after 2010 and was not apprehended at or near the border. The dirty little secret of immigration policy is that the border is already secure.

If this mother and 2 children were apprehended prior to ZT, they were taken to a detention center along the border. There are many such centers in southern Texas, southern AZ and southern CA. The parents and children were not separated for any appreciable length of time. Never. Anybody who says different is misinformed. Or lying. Your mileage may vary. If the parent stated that she wanted asylum, she was given what is called a Credible Fear Interview, in which she detailed the reasons for leaving El Salvador. The purpose of the CFI is not to finally adjudicate whether to grant asylum – that is done by an immigration judge or by USCIS. If the CFI states that there is no credible fear of return to your home country, you are deported. If after the interview, it is determined that you have a credible fear of returning to your country, then you are given a Notice to Appear that is the document that begins the immigration court process. It states that you are not a US Citizen or legal permanent resident, you are not here under a visa, you are a citizen of El Salvador, and you are removeable under the Immigration and Naturalization Act (INA). Asylum is a defense to removal in immigration court. An asylum-seeker files form I-589, along with as much evidence as she can obtain to support the asylum claim. The immigration judge determines whether to grant asylum or deny. Denial means removal, aka deportation. You can appeal a negative decision to the Board of Immigration Appeals, and after that to the federal appeals circuit that covers your area – 6th circuit for those in Michigan and Ohio, 4th circuit for Virginia and Maryland, 7th circuit for Illinois and Wisconsin, for example.

While in detention, the families would be kept together. ICE would determine whether to release on own recognizance or under a bond. Typically, they do not do so, and so the immigrant can ask the immigration judge to release them under bond. Bond rules in immigration court are the same as in regular court – if you are deemed a danger to the community or a flight risk, bond can be denied and you are detained throughout the pendency of your case. Rarely were parents with children denied bond altogether. They were usually released within anywhere from 2 days to 2 months. Again, when there are children, they would try and expedite their release so they’re not sitting in a detention center for months at a time.

Now, under ZT, the administration is criminally charging the parents and using that as the facade to separate the children from the parents. Obviously, if someone is arrested for suspicion of a crime, and he/she has children, that person is separated from the children. So that is how they are accomplishing the separations – by criminally indicting the parents. A first unlawful entry into the US is a misdemeanor, lesser penalty than possession of a small amount of marijuana for personal use. So no prior administration took the step of criminally prosecuting these people, and especially not for the express purpose of separating the families as a deterrent to future immigrants as the administration admits it is doing.

There is obviously a TON more information than this, but I think this at least lays out the current situation with family separation, why it’s happening, and how prior administrations dealt with it.
 
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