Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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At this point there are all of about twelve people left in the United States who are conservative AND opposed to Donald Trump.

They all work for the Atlantic or the Weekly Standard, grifting perfunctory clicks out of liberals who fancy themselves broad-minded.

They regard themselves as gentlemen, men of honour, the last champions of chivalry, because they gave us the Iraq War and the surveillance state and the financial crisis in the right way, without resorting to cuss words on Twitter. Good day to you, Sir!

But apart from these rare and endangered birds, nothing remains of American conservatism independent of Donald Trump.

True, a small proportion of Trump voters are poor, confused, and desperate, and the Democrats deserved to lose for not even bothering to compete for them.

But the overwhelming majority of American conservatives are white, elderly, suburban, and eminently comfortable Trump supporters.


The welfare state was invented to service their every need, and they are helbent on hoarding their privileges. Their education, housing, healthcare, salaries, security, pensions, and savings have all been subsidised cradle-to-grave, by a state that forcibily barred anyone but other white men from competing for jobs and resources.

Yet they maintain an exquisite sense of martydom, their victimhood carefully fostered over the years by the procession of grifters and demagogues that is the post-Civil Rights Republican Party. They are history's most pampered generation, yet they are still JUST SO ANGRY, ALL THE TIME!!!

They vote for Trump not out of any ideological vision, or dreams of a better future, but because they are triggered by uppity black athletes infringing upon their sunday afternoon safe space. Or because the single mothers on minimum wage at the Applebees sometimes fail to attend them with the servility to which they're accustomed. Or because their grandchildren have tattoos and treat gay people like human beings and roll their eyes whenever grandpa falls back on his favourite gripes about "those people".

To scratch these most trivial of itches, they are prepared to rip up the rule of law, the constitution, international order, and even the climate itself, righteously shaking their fists at the clouds while the Republicans sow corruption and plutocracy that's staggering even by American standards.

American conservatives function like parasites, instinctively enriching themselves to the last breath even if destroys the host.

And the planet might never recover.

I think you're wrong here. In the states that matter for elections, it's the poor, uneducated white masses that voted for Trump en masse. It's about "culture" more than "economics" for them. To be honest, most upper middle class whites can't be arsed about elections - generalizing here. It's the poor, uneducated base, and the mobilization of that base, that got Trump elected.
 
I think you're wrong here. In the states that matter for elections, it's the poor, uneducated white masses that voted for Trump en masse. It's about "culture" more than "economics" for them. To be honest, most upper middle class whites can't be arsed about elections - generalizing here. It's the poor, uneducated base, and the mobilization of that base, that got Trump elected.

I think they certainly swung the election, but they're a relatively small percentage of his support base - which consists primarily of more or less conventional Republicans.

Long-time Republican voters, who have traditionally been older, whiter, wealthier, and better educated than average, absolutely worship him.

Hillary/Schumer's folly was to assume that the Dems could ignore the people you're describing, and win a crushing landslide by sweeping the much larger cohort of people I'm describing. Chuckles's famous imaginary Philadelphia suburbanites, in other words.

The outcome of that particular gamble is why the notion of principled non-Trump conservatives is so laughable now (notwithstanding @Yank's no-doubt sincere and committed support for Bloomberg/Starbucks 2020).
 
I think they certainly swung the election, but they're a relatively small percentage of his support base - which consists primarily of more or less conventional Republicans.

Long-time Republican voters, who have traditionally been older, whiter, wealthier, and better educated than average, absolutely worship him.

Hillary/Schumer's folly was to assume that the Dems could ignore the people you're describing, and win a crushing landslide by sweeping the much larger cohort of people I'm describing. Chuckles's famous imaginary Philadelphia suburbanites, in other words.

The outcome of that particular gamble is why the notion of principled non-Trump conservatives is so laughable now (notwithstanding @Yank's no-doubt sincere and committed support for Bloomberg/Starbucks 2020).
I don't think the traditional conservatives worship him. Some oppose him completely, and many of those switched party affiliations after the election. The traditional conservatives of which you speak hold their nose and don't oppose him, but they don't scream from the rooftops they support him (aka, worship him). He's just the better of two alternatives to them because he's not a Democrat. Perhaps this is semantics here, but if those traditional conservatives found someone that was not a complete loon that could beat Trump, they'd prefer that person to him all day.

The poor Trump supporters, however, completely idolize the guy. Which is just insane.
 
I don't think the traditional conservatives worship him. Some oppose him completely, and many of those switched party affiliations after the election. The traditional conservatives of which you speak hold their nose and don't oppose him, but they don't scream from the rooftops they support him (aka, worship him). He's just the better of two alternatives to them because he's not a Democrat. Perhaps this is semantics here, but if those traditional conservatives found someone that was not a complete loon that could beat Trump, they'd prefer that person to him all day.

The poor Trump supporters, however, completely idolize the guy. Which is just insane.
Last time I saw numbers published he had ~90% approval amongst republicans...

Even with a fairly healthy margin of error, that doesn't leave many of the "hold their nose brigade"
 
There is no "click", once again with the paranoid stuff.

You do realise coming into a thread where 95% of the participants have issues with the current administration especially Trump you were always going to get push back.

The fact that you came in with the usual repetitive garbage fox and friends and his supporters spout on a daily basis meant the people you are trying to debate or convince saw through you argument or point.

Your main talking points were verbatim to what his supporters, his twitter and his media allies spout on a daily basis.

Clearly when called out and rebutted, you went on the attack, calling anyone who disagreed with you snowflakes etc... It's the usual tactic we see in this thread.

There is only a handful of guys who give as good as they get on here and whether we agree with them or not they generally have points of substance and not the usual rhetoric.Clearly you are not one of them.

Claiming to have read the entire thread to catch up and then spouting stuff easily argued is not a good start.
Hey I was targeted straight away when all I said was I think Trump is doing okay and is shaking up the establishment. The first reference to snow flakes was meant to be the left liberal who get into states of hysteria(I find that funny) so I give it back!! Seriously some of his policies make sense, some do not and he does come across as crass and OTT. But digging deep down he seems to want only legal immigrants who go through a process, Mexico are one of the strictest with their immigration laws, why does trump get slaughtered for trying to apply the law and keep his citizens safe.
 
no no no, you're doing it wrong, surely it's something like
'join your click, I will... Your leader, I must know... My head, I nod and agree I must'
Clique sorry! Should keep an eye on auto correct.. Does feel like there is one though.
 
Hey I was targeted straight away when all I said was I think Trump is doing okay and is shaking up the establishment. The first reference to snow flakes was meant to be the left liberal who get into states of hysteria(I find that funny) so I give it back!! Seriously some of his policies make sense, some do not and he does come across as crass and OTT. But digging deep down he seems to want only legal immigrants who go through a process, Mexico are one of the strictest with their immigration laws, why does trump get slaughtered for trying to apply the law and keep his citizens safe.
Probably because the whole "keeping Americans safe" argument is rooted in racism, not facts?

Immigrants (both legal and illegal) are less likely to commit crime than Americans citizens, but he bangs on about "liberating towns from MS13" because he knows it plays into his supporters' fears of brown people.

And he also wasn't "applying the law"... the family separation issue as it stood/stands was down to his administration's policy.
 
Probably because the whole "keeping Americans safe" argument is rooted in racism, not facts?

Immigrants (both legal and illegal) are less likely to commit crime than Americans citizens, but he bangs on about "liberating towns from MS13" because he knows it plays into his supporters' fears of brown people.

And he also wasn't "applying the law"... the family separation issue as it stood/stands was down to his administration's policy.
Wasn’t Obama doing that though(family separation) on the plus side he’s implementing keeping them together for so many weeks now, so if a child trafficker is bringing kids in, they have to be kept together, which would now put all traffickers off. Admittedly on that point I’m not 100% sure if that’s right but two or three outlets have reported this. As for the root reason I.e let’s hide the rascim by pointing out the gangs, it’s just conjecture and nothing solid. We can all second guess everyone’s reasons and methods to suit our own agenda
 
Wow, Trump is trying to push through a new act to give himself more power with regard to tariffs.
It's called the United States Fair and Reciprocal Tariff Act.
or the US FART act.
I cant tell what's real or not anymore.
 
thanks for the correction.
It's understandable to feel upset if you think you're being left out. Maybe you should grow a tougher skin. Maybe more Miss. Piggy than Yoda.
Who’s upset? Straight away you’re back to insults. You big girls blouse haha
 
Wow, Trump is trying to push through a new act to give himself more power with regard to tariffs.
It's called the United States Fair and Reciprocal Tariff Act.
or the US FART act.
I cant tell what's real or not anymore.
Seriously a statement like “I can’t tell what’s real or not anymore”
And you’re telling me to grow a thicker skin, while you’re probably drowning in your tears
 
ok, without googling, do you think the US FART act is real?
I can tell you without googling, I would not like to have a pint with someone like you. If you quit with your insults I’ll properly discuss Trump and guess what I might even agree that some of his policy making you show me that I’m not in favour of. But not everything is black and white in the real world is it.
 
Wasn’t Obama doing that though(family separation) on the plus side he’s implementing keeping them together for so many weeks now, so if a child trafficker is bringing kids in, they have to be kept together, which would now put all traffickers off. Admittedly on that point I’m not 100% sure if that’s right but two or three outlets have reported this. As for the root reason I.e let’s hide the rascim by pointing out the gangs, it’s just conjecture and nothing solid. We can all second guess everyone’s reasons and methods to suit our own agenda
"Wasn't Obama doing that"

No, stop watching Fox News.

The Obama administration separated kids from those who brought them in if there was a credible belief that the child was in danger, or the parent (for example) was suspected of a serious/violent crime. i.e the same reasons for which a US parent would be separated from their family.

The Trump administration separated families as a matter of course, for a crime which is the legal equivalent of a traffic violation. (and a crime which they themselves made more common/widely carried out by slow rolling asylum seekers' attempts to enter the country through the official routes to claim asylum).
 
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