Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[BirkenheadBlue]

I know people will cry Godwin's Law. .

Take a look at my post above. Godwin is fine with it.

 

[Walken]

What I am trying to find out is would the children be thrown in a cell with their parents, or not?

I completely agree children in general shouldn't be removed from their parents unless absolutely necessary, like when they are taken into care because their parents are drug addicts, etc.

Just trying to find out a bit more background to determine an opinion on it myself.

It's not in the least bit necessary in these cases, its brutal and inhumane

 

[PhilM]

It's not in the least bit necessary in these cases, its brutal and inhumane

It surely is brutal, inhumane and morally wrong, however rightly or wrongly I feel the administration will privately see it as very much a necessary component.

I see it simply as another tool of making an already incredibly difficult and emotion decision for many families even harder - in essence, divide and conquer.

Some, if not many, of the families will continue to try to reach the US, yet if it stops even a percentage from attempting it because of fear then it's worked.

What is more worrying for me however, is that such horrible treatment is being accepted by many and will only facilitate further mistreatment in the future.

 

[Walken]

It surely is brutal, inhumane and morally wrong, however rightly or wrongly I feel the administration will privately see it as very much a necessary component.

I see it simply as another tool of making an already incredibly difficult and emotion decision for many families even harder - in essence, divide and conquer.

Some, if not many, of the families will continue to try to reach the US, yet if it stops even a percentage from attempting it because of fear then it's worked.

What is more worrying for me however, is that such horrible treatment is being accepted by many and will only facilitate further mistreatment in the future.

As long as this awful treatment is being carried out on a certain type of people, then it won't hit home in terms of public outrage, that's the short and tall of it

 

[PhilM]

As long as this awful treatment is being carried out on a certain type of people, then it won't hit home in terms of public outrage, that's the short and tall of it

I totally agree. Yet, just look around at the likes of Italy and Turkey who are suppressing the ideas of tolerance and freedom - a worrying trend is emerging.

 

[LinekersLegs]

What is more worrying for me however, is that such horrible treatment is being accepted by many and will only facilitate further mistreatment in the future.

Bad as this is, and I believe emotionally traumatizing kids because their parents committed a misdemeanor looking for a better life is very very bad, things are going to get worse.

You don’t separate 2000 children from their family in a hastily designed program in the heat of summer that has ramped up hiring quicky without there being neglect by poorly trained/overworked carers, abusers being recruited and understandably emotional kids acting out their distress with suicide attempts or the acting out leading to harsh punishment.

There is also very little planning for how to reunite all the kids once their parents have been processed and even with the best systems things go wrong but when Amazon lose a package somewhere along the delivery chain it can be replaced - this time the item in question could be a 7 year old.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Where are the children being taken to? Like a children's jail? Or are there being humanely looked after until their parents are dealt with?
If the children were kept with their parents, would they be in jail, or how would that work? And are parents taking their children across the border because they think it helps them avoid punishment?

Trying to find answers to these questions so that I can give a balanced and fair opinion on this.

You might find this article useful
https://www.texastribune.org/2018/06/18/separated-immigrant-children-families-border-mexico/

 

[PhilM]

Bad as this is, and I believe emotionally traumatizing kids because their parents committed a misdemeanor looking for a better life is very very bad, things are going to get worse.

You don’t separate 2000 children from their family in a hastily designed program in the heat of summer that has ramped up hiring quicky without there being neglect by poorly trained/overworked carers, abusers being recruited and understandably emotional kids acting out their distress with suicide attempts or the acting out leading to harsh punishment.

There is also very little planning for how to reunite all the kids once their parents have been processed and even with the best systems things go wrong but when Amazon lose a package somewhere along the delivery chain it can be replaced - this time the item in question could be a 7 year old.

Like I said before, I unfortunately feel that perhaps poor treatment, harsh conditions and personal suffering are part of the overall image they desire.

Republicans, including Trump, can scramble around all they like to find a solution yet as he said, " it is necessary to stop illegal border crossings."

Put simply, they've made a point to those crossing that they are serious and that it will not be an easy ordeal, which will likely put people off.

While I understand your point about how there'll be flaws in the process, which will ultimately cause further long-term suffering, I feel that there...

... will be further, more-organised mistreatment of individuals which was my point: basically, if they're happy to split children, what will they do next!

 

[Big Fat Sam]

I don't think they are putting children in cages like. Unless somebody can show us a legitimate pic of it happening.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I don't think they are putting children in cages like. Unless somebody can show us a legitimate pic of it happening.

Here is official CBP video
https://twitter.com/jacobsoboroff/status/1008707685305339904?s=21

The government is not allowing any independent pictures at any of the shelters and indeed has only given tours of the shelters holding boys over 10. There has been no acces by either elected representatives, or video/pictures, to the shelters holding girls or toddlers.

And seriously “not putting them in cages” is the line you’d draw in the sand as to whether this is abhorrent? They could have access to the presidential suite at Trump hotel and it wouldn’t make a difference to a 5 year old ripped from their mum for weeks.

 

[davids]

Hate him or hate him he's living up to his manifesto.They say every country has the government it deserves,or should that read circus.

 

[Ruairi77]

Hate him or hate him he's living up to his manifesto.They say every country has the government it deserves,or should that read circus.

they're wrong

 

[toffy]

Where was this outrage and disgust when it happened during the previous administrations ?

 

[Big Fat Sam]

Here is official CBP video
https://twitter.com/jacobsoboroff/status/1008707685305339904?s=21

The government is not allowing any independent pictures at any of the shelters and indeed has only given tours of the shelters holding boys over 10. There has been no acces by either elected representatives, or video/pictures, to the shelters holding girls or toddlers.

And seriously “not putting them in cages” is the line you’d draw in the sand as to whether this is abhorrent? They could have access to the presidential suite at Trump hotel and it wouldn’t make a difference to a 5 year old ripped from their mum for weeks.

Hmm. Are they sleeping in those cages for days on end? Or is it just while they are processed and sorted with a better place to stay while their parents are dealt with?

 

[LinekersLegs]

Hmm. Are they sleeping in those cages for days on end? Or is it just while they are processed and sorted with a better place to stay while their parents are dealt with?

A maximum of 72 hours is I believe the guidelines before moved to a shelter but have seen no stats given by the government as to how often that is achieved or any breakdown of ages of kids the average wait applies to eg babies 3 hours, toddlers 5, older teenagers a coupe of nights etc.