Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[Huyton Layne]

2 things from Trumps speech:

He wrongly blamed Iran for funding the Taliban and Al Queda. That statement is so far removed from reality it is laughable. Luckily there's no historical precedent(except when George W Bush claimed Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11 and great pals with Osama Bin Laden. That ended well!)

John Bolton, the architect of American foreign policy in Iraq along with the other hawks in Bush's administration, was prominent in the background as Trump spewed his Bile. How someone so closely associated with the biggest foreign policy disaster of this century and arguably the last can return to a position of influence in dictating future foreign policy beggars belief. It's like history repeating itself in the most horrific way imaginable.

Trump fancies war with Iran and is being ably cheered on by the Saudi and Israeli states. How anyone can defend Trump and his corrupt administration is beyond belief and i have read nothing plausible to change my opinion. He's a feckin gangster.

Allardyce out!

Blows my mind to this day, also supporters of acting harshly against middle eastern countries also neglect the fact they were Saudis and Saudi funded. But money talks.

 

[Huyton Layne]

Ok so when he's publicly mistaken (lies or plain makes shizz up, so just lies) is it fake news and he should be banned from talking to the press. 'kin grotesque c-unit boils my blood.

There'll be a minor correction somewhere or maybe not and the pea brained hicks of this country will lap it up and spout it as gospel.

 

[ilikecheese]

Ok so when he's publicly mistaken (lies or plain makes shizz up, so just lies) is it fake news and he should be banned from talking to the press. 'kin grotesque c-unit boils my blood.

There'll be a minor correction somewhere or maybe not and the pea brained hicks of this country will lap it up and spout it as gospel.

Your last sentence is 100% correct. Right Wing media has brainwashed folks for decades. The truth no longer matters to lots of them...Trump is just the tip of that iceberg. I listened to about an hour of Rush Limbaugh today...it is frightening what uninformed people are willing to believe. Michael Medved is more moderate and his callers seem to hate him for dispelling myths (he usually does).

 

[Bruce Wayne]

There was a historian who’s specifically studied dictatorships and other authoritarian regimes through history, that I heard interviewed the other day.

The number of similarities between what’s going on in the trump administration and what’s happened in other countries that have transitioned into dictatorships is absolutely terrifying.

Now I’m not saying that will be the long term result in the US - hopefully their institutions are strong enough to resist 4yrs of this banana, but the fact that that represents his playbook should not be forgotten.

It is very similar to the [sad] decline of the Visegrad countries at the moment. It unfortunately seems to be the chosen path most populists go down.

 

[peteblue]

Are any of those posters President of the United States?
Really not the same thing though is it Pete?
One thing a voter being unhappy with an administration or person in an administration than the actual person in charge being the moaner ot disgruntled person.
He should have better things to do. Its embarrassing when he does it in front of world leaders and the worlds media. He should know better.

Of course, it’s petty and shows up a lack of confidence and a need for acceptance......

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

https://apnews.com/c8553592cda046238d9fa08273b102df

Wait, so it was nothing to do with wanting a better deal?

You don’t say...

 

[mezzrow]

I am amazed at the degree to which current conversation on the left regarding Trump echoes that found in the fever swamps of the right back when folks were obsessing over the authenticity of Hawaiian birth certificates. The primary difference for the target is the clown show nature of Trump's persona vs the central casting blend of Denzel Washington/Tiger Woods competence personified in Obama. The policy always changes when the other team is in charge.

There's a whole lot of "make it stop!" going on here and elsewhere, but his numbers keep looking better month by month. My defense is to avoid the image of Trump at all opportunities.

 

[Ruairi77]

I am amazed at the degree to which current conversation on the left regarding Trump echoes that found in the fever swamps of the right back when folks were obsessing over the authenticity of Hawaiian birth certificates. The primary difference for the target is the clown show nature of Trump's persona vs the central casting blend of Denzel Washington/Tiger Woods competence personified in Obama. The policy always changes when the other team is in charge.

There's a whole lot of "make it stop!" going on here and elsewhere, but his numbers keep looking better month by month. My defense is to avoid the image of Trump at all opportunities.

His numbers are going up because the longer it goes on the more acceptable his unacceptable behavior becomes. It is now no longer necessary to have manners and decorum to be POTUS, and intellect is positively frowned upon.
This is the inevitable culmination of a generation watching Fox news.
I watched this weekend as republican primary candidates tried to 'out trump' each other, trying to see who could be less p.c, who could be ruder and who could be more extreme, an outright race to the bottom of human decency and all under the banner of Christian values.
Trumps numbers will continue to improve, even if he went out on to 5th ave. and shot someone.

 

[SteveSC]

I am amazed at the degree to which current conversation on the left regarding Trump echoes that found in the fever swamps of the right back when folks were obsessing over the authenticity of Hawaiian birth certificates. The primary difference for the target is the clown show nature of Trump's persona vs the central casting blend of Denzel Washington/Tiger Woods competence personified in Obama. The policy always changes when the other team is in charge.

There's a whole lot of "make it stop!" going on here and elsewhere, but his numbers keep looking better month by month. My defense is to avoid the image of Trump at all opportunities.

Although this is true. I bet if you looked it up no other President changed every single thing the previous guy did out of spite or because he was the "opposition".

Do you agree with all of the policy changes like opening up and potentially selling national park land for oil drilling or gas?

Things like capping fossil fuel industries from further destroying the land and contaminating water sources?

How about regulations on banks?

Or putting the people in charge of agencies just to obstruct them and have them change their policies to beneficial to their rich mates. Most of his hires are anti of what they are in charge off. Tell me why we have people who hate the EPA in charge of it?

How does that serve the vast majority of people? How does that serve the interests of the country.

That's the difference. Doing something because it was actually stupid is one thing but changing a policy simply because you hated the previous guy is simply wrong.

Yes all presidents have different ideas especially if its an entire shift of party in control. But to undo even the good ones is just being a richard.

 

[DanEFC92]

I am amazed at the degree to which current conversation on the left regarding Trump echoes that found in the fever swamps of the right back when folks were obsessing over the authenticity of Hawaiian birth certificates. The primary difference for the target is the clown show nature of Trump's persona vs the central casting blend of Denzel Washington/Tiger Woods competence personified in Obama. The policy always changes when the other team is in charge.

There's a whole lot of "make it stop!" going on here and elsewhere, but his numbers keep looking better month by month. My defense is to avoid the image of Trump at all opportunities.

Wee bit more to the Trump hate than his decorum. But I think you know that.


Also, citation needed for poll numbers.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[tsubaki]

His numbers are going up because the longer it goes on the more acceptable his unacceptable behavior becomes. It is now no longer necessary to have manners and decorum to be POTUS, and intellect is positively frowned upon.
This is the inevitable culmination of a generation watching Fox news.
I watched this weekend as republican primary candidates tried to 'out trump' each other, trying to see who could be less p.c, who could be ruder and who could be more extreme, an outright race to the bottom of human decency and all under the banner of Christian values.
Trumps numbers will continue to improve, even if he went out on to 5th ave. and shot someone.

TBH I think his numbers are remaining steady / going up because the opposition to Trump is still led, or at least appears to be led, by the people who lost the last election and they are still fighting him on ground that they lost that election on.

I mean that saying that Trump cheated on his wife, or that he has shady business practices, that he has an odd view of Ivanka, that he clearly has a crush on Putin, that he will use the office to enrich himself or even that he is rude, disrespectful and a bit of a knob is not likely to convince people he is a wrong 'un because everyone (especially his support) already thinks all that is true about him.

At some point the Democrats are going to have to switch tactics and come up with some other way of attacking him and the increasingly horrifying group of creatures that are infesting the GOP.

 

[tsubaki]

there was a great article by Ta-Nehisi Coates on Kanye (but more about the nature of fame generally) on the Atlantic website a couple of days ago:

What I felt, in all of this, was a profound sense of social isolation. I would walk into a room, knowing that some facsimile of me, some mix of interviews, book clubs, and private assessment, had preceded me. The loss of friends, of comrades, of community, was gut-wrenching. I grew skeptical and distant. I avoided group dinners. In conversation, I sized everyone up, convinced that they were trying to extract something from me. And this is where the paranoia began, because the vast majority of people were kind and normal. But I never knew when that would fail to be the case.

On top of the skewed incentives, the wrecked friendships, the paranoia, the ruin of community, there was a part of me that I was left to confront. I was the loneliest I’d ever felt in my life—and part of me loved it, loved the way I’d walk into a restaurant in New York and make the wait disappear, loved the random swag, the green Air Force Ones, the blue joggers. I loved the movie stars, rappers, and ballplayers who cited my work, and there was so much more out there waiting to be loved. I loved my small fame because, though I had brokered a peace with all my Baltimore ordinariness, with how I faded into a crowd, with how unremarkable I really was—and though I decided to till, as Emerson says, my own plot of ground, whole other acres now appeared before me. It almost didn’t matter whether I claimed those acres or not, because who are you if, even as you do good, you feel the desire to do evil? The terrible thing about that small fame was how it undressed me, stripped me of self-illusion, and showed how easily I could be swept away, how part of me wanted to be swept away, and even if no one ever saw it, even if I never acted on it, I now knew it, knew that I could love that small fame in the same terrible way that I want to live forever, in that way, to paraphrase Walcott, that drowned sailors loved the sea.

But I did not drown. I felt the gravity of that small fame, feel its gravity even now, and it revealed securities as sure as it did insecurities, reasons to preserve the peace. I really did love to write—the irreplaceable thrill of transforming a blank page, the search for the right word, like pieces of a puzzle, the surgery of stitching together odd paragraphs. I loved how it belonged to me, a private act of creation, a fact that dissipated the moment I stepped in front of a crowd. So, that really was me. But more importantly, I think, were things beyond me, the pre-fame web of connections around me—child, spouse, brothers, sisters, friends—the majority of whom held fast and remained.

 

[ilikecheese]

TBH I think his numbers are remaining steady / going up because the opposition to Trump is still led, or at least appears to be led, by the people who lost the last election and they are still fighting him on ground that they lost that election on.

I mean that saying that Trump cheated on his wife, or that he has shady business practices, that he has an odd view of Ivanka, that he clearly has a crush on Putin, that he will use the office to enrich himself or even that he is rude, disrespectful and a bit of a knob is not likely to convince people he is a wrong 'un because everyone (especially his support) already thinks all that is true about him.

At some point the Democrats are going to have to switch tactics and come up with some other way of attacking him and the increasingly horrifying group of creatures that are infesting the GOP.

So you are saying Trump/Trump's campaign shouldn't be held to the fire over what appears to be a mountain of illegal dealings?