Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[peteblue]

It's amazing how many right wing nut jobs seem to relish the prospect of war and mass killings.

I think you misunderstand people. No sane person wants violence in any form, individual or state. Certainly Israel would be very happy if no country were ever to threaten it. But unfortunately this is the real world, where the likes of Iran would love to wipe Israel off the map. Iran already sponsors terrorists with arms and money, the thought that one day they would also have access to nuclear weapons is too terrible to contemplate. Allowing Iran to continue to develop nuclear power and by extension nuclear arms is just putting off the fateful day. Iran has all the sunshine and all the oil any nation would need for its power requirements, it does not need nuclear power....

 

[Harryflashman]

Trump is (as if we didn’t all know already) an absolute disgrace.

He is wilfully making the world less safe

1) to satisfy his massive inferiority complex by tearing down yet another of Obama’s accomplishments

And

2) to distract from his own legal troubles, brought about by decades of his own corruption followed by an equally corrupt campaign and administration.

Every day he manages to plumb new depths, which given his previous conduct, is pretty f****** impressive.

On point 1) did you watch the announcement? It was basically focused on having a pop at Obama for signing such a bad deal rather than making points about Iran . It seemed to me that The main focus of the announcement was to identify what a bad job the previous incumbent had done in negotiating it .

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

 

[Gouldy]

I think you misunderstand people. No sane person wants violence in any form, individual or state. Certainly Israel would be very happy if no country were ever to threaten it. But unfortunately this is the real world, where the likes of Iran would love to wipe Israel off the map. Iran already sponsors terrorists with arms and money, the thought that one day they would also have access to nuclear weapons is too terrible to contemplate. Allowing Iran to continue to develop nuclear power and by extension nuclear arms is just putting off the fateful day. Iran has all the sunshine and all the oil any nation would need for its power requirements, it does not need nuclear power....

Which is why the Iran deal was put in place. By all accounts, Iran were following the terms of the deal and there was no indication that they were deterring from it and collating a nuclear arsenal.

It is clear withdrawing from the deal is simply as an anti-Obama showing - there is no objective evidence to show the deal was not working.

 

[DanEFC92]

Christ. Fascism anyone?

Negative media (fake) says it all doesn't it?

 

[Pettifogger]

Which is why the Iran deal was put in place. By all accounts, Iran were following the terms of the deal and there was no indication that they were deterring from it and collating a nuclear arsenal.

It is clear withdrawing from the deal is simply as an anti-Obama showing - there is no objective evidence to show the deal was not working.

There is, however, objective evidence showing that the deal had long term problems and that the deal was preventing the international community from halting Iran's funding of death and chaos in places like Syria and Yemen. There is a ton of long-form writing out there from non-conservative places (Politico springs to mind) talking about the US refusing to combat actions of Hezbollah due to the deal. It was a mediocre, at best, deal, and one that Obama brought forth by edict. Trump has unquestionable authority to undo that unilateral act, and to seek a course of action he believes more prudent.

 

[Ruairi77]

Christ. Fascism anyone?

Negative media (fake) says it all doesn't it?

"91% of the Network News about me is negative (Fake)."
absolute nut job

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Christ. Fascism anyone?

Negative media (fake) says it all doesn't it?

There was a historian who’s specifically studied dictatorships and other authoritarian regimes through history, that I heard interviewed the other day.

The number of similarities between what’s going on in the trump administration and what’s happened in other countries that have transitioned into dictatorships is absolutely terrifying.

Now I’m not saying that will be the long term result in the US - hopefully their institutions are strong enough to resist 4yrs of this banana, but the fact that that represents his playbook should not be forgotten.

 

[Pettifogger]

SMH can you believe Trump destroyed our relationship with our good friend Iran

 

[Pettifogger]

This in particular is frightening, definitely a sign of the coming dictatorship IMO.

 

[Ruairi77]

This in particular is frightening, definitely a sign of the coming dictatorship IMO.

meanwhile American detainees in Iran face a bleak future

 

[Tubey]

I praised him on Korea. However he's an absolute idiot when it comes to this with Iran. Incredibly foolish and in one fell swoop worse foreign policy than anything the lacklustre Obama ever did in the same field.

 

[SteveSC]

SMH can you believe Trump destroyed our relationship with our good friend Iran

You realise that America reneged on a contract right?

Essentially Trump proved these guys right. That America cannot be trusted.

Not many are convinced Iran is a "good friend". What they are convinced of though is that sometimes its necessary to deal with those who could be a threat. Convince them its better to be an ally than an enemy. Much like this whole North Korea thing. Funny how Trump is getting kudos for settling the Korea thing and making peace and also now for reneging a deal which could lead to more issues for this country.

The deal was not perfect but it set guidelines that America, it's European Allies and Iran all agreed with. Iran was happy (well the majority) but there are always those in Iran who wanted it to fail too which i am guessing is these guys.

What is the alternative screw them and potentially trigger more of this and potentially more hardcore types willing to sacrifice themselves. Please don't mention sanctions. We all know sanctions have no effect. All it would do is make them angrier.

 

[Pettifogger]

meanwhile American detainees in Iran face a bleak future

This is the kind of ridiculousness tossed at Trump.

- Bob Levinson was detained long before negotiations on the deal, and the GOAT president Obama failed to bargain for him (or information about his demise - he is probably deceased)

- At least one of the detainees at issue was detained AFTER the deal was agreed to. So now the negotiating point is that you're going to detain our dual citizens and use it as leverage in the future, despite an existing agreement? Swell partnership, isn't it?

 

[Pettifogger]

You realise that America reneged on a contract right?

Essentially Trump proved these guys right. That America cannot be trusted.

Not many are convinced Iran is a "good friend". What they are convinced of though is that sometimes its necessary to deal with those who could be a threat. Convince them its better to be an ally than an enemy. Much like this whole North Korea thing. Funny how Trump is getting kudos for settling the Korea thing and making peace and also now for reneging a deal which could lead to more issues for this country.

The deal was not perfect but it set guidelines that America, it's European Allies and Iran all agreed with. Iran was happy (well the majority) but there are always those in Iran who wanted it to fail too which i am guessing is these guys.

What is the alternative screw them and potentially trigger more of this and potentially more hardcore types willing to sacrifice themselves. Please don't mention sanctions. We all know sanctions have no effect. All it would do is make them angrier.

I can ignore all of this because we didn't. It was a deal agreed-to by Obama. It wasn't a treaty. Trump is fully within his rights to exit.

"America cannot be trusted," yet it makes total sense to stay in a crappy deal with a country that chants "death to America" and promises to start spinning more centrifuges in the days after the deal collapses (that is to say, we were only ever weeks away from that result under the deal).

I'll be blunt, I do not believe any of you particularly care about Iranian detainees or Iranian nuclear weapons. I think you care about damaging Trump and "winning." The same as you often accuse the GOP/Trumpkins of doing.