Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[tsubaki]

So you are saying Trump/Trump's campaign shouldn't be held to the fire over what appears to be a mountain of illegal dealings?

No - I am saying that the people who oppose Trump should have realised by now that exposing the fact that (for instance) his dealings are at best deeply suspect is not likely to put people off him, given that nearly everyone already thinks that about his dealings.

This (nor his attitude to women, or his honesty, or his twitter antics) is not the silver bullet that he opposition need it to be.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

No - I am saying that the people who oppose Trump should have realised by now that exposing the fact that (for instance) his dealings are at best deeply suspect is not likely to put people off him, given that nearly everyone already thinks that about his dealings.

This (nor his attitude to women, or his honesty, or his twitter antics) is not the silver bullet that he opposition need it to be.

I agree. Most of the right has completely given up on anything resembling propriety.

However, the purpose of highlighting each and every instance isn't to change people's minds. It's to grow engagement and enthusiasm/anger on the left, which will translate (and indeed has already) result in increased turnout at the ballot box

 

[ilikecheese]

No - I am saying that the people who oppose Trump should have realised by now that exposing the fact that (for instance) his dealings are at best deeply suspect is not likely to put people off him, given that nearly everyone already thinks that about his dealings.

This (nor his attitude to women, or his honesty, or his twitter antics) is not the silver bullet that he opposition need it to be.

Honestly there is no silver bullet unless he is found guilty. He is absolutely right that he could stand in the middle of 5th Ave and shoot somebody and not lose voters.

It's the product of decades of brainwashing. He's accelerated the process right wing media have been after of tearing down trust in the media, our intelligence/investigative institutions, and our legal system.

I honestly feel we are heading towards a civil war in the not too distant future. I am not joking.

 

[Ruairi77]

Honestly there is no silver bullet unless he is found guilty. He is absolutely right that he could stand in the middle of 5th Ave and shoot somebody and not lose voters.

It's the product of decades of brainwashing. He's accelerated the process right wing media have been after of tearing down trust in the media, our intelligence/investigative institutions, and our legal system.

I honestly feel we are heading towards a civil war in the not too distant future. I am not joking.

yea, I tend to agree with you. We left reasonable compromise behind ages ago.
At the start of his first term, Obama had control of the legislative and executive branches. He spent the first two years trying to find a compromise or consensus and got nowhere, the tea party swept the midterms and gridlock got even worse. He had to resort to executive orders to get anything done and that was just oxygen to right wing troll fire.

Under Bush 2 and Obama, there was a divided country but there was a hope that with campaign finance reform and good leadership, maybe we could find a balanced path in the future but with this new brand of Trump politician, the right have given up on compromise and aim to steam roll the left because that's what Hannity tells them to do, the likes of Schumer and Pelossi are no match for it but I'm not sure who would be.

 

[verreauxi]

Read Christopher Bollyn's book The War on Terror: The Plot to Rule the Middle East, this explains everything whats really happening.

Yup.

 

[tsubaki]

Honestly there is no silver bullet unless he is found guilty. He is absolutely right that he could stand in the middle of 5th Ave and shoot somebody and not lose voters.

It's the product of decades of brainwashing. He's accelerated the process right wing media have been after of tearing down trust in the media, our intelligence/investigative institutions, and our legal system.

I honestly feel we are heading towards a civil war in the not too distant future. I am not joking.

I think that overstates things quite a bit - Trump is certainly the (accidental) product of conditioning the right-wing base to believe in his sort of person, but his apparent invulnerability is far more due to the uselessness of the political opposition to him than it is about it being down to brainwashing or the good people at Fox.

For instance, if you look at the most effective opposition to Trump so far - in terms of the things that have really got him riled up and which have resonated with people from across the political spectrum - then its come almost exclusively from comedians and cartoonists. This should be an indicator of how to deal with Trump, to endlessly ridicule him and his circle rather than to try and hold him to a standard that no-one believes he is (or for that matter politicians generally are) at anyway. After all we know it works, as it is what he did.

 

[ilikecheese]

I think that overstates things quite a bit - Trump is certainly the (accidental) product of conditioning the right-wing base to believe in his sort of person, but his apparent invulnerability is far more due to the uselessness of the political opposition to him than it is about it being down to brainwashing or the good people at Fox.

For instance, if you look at the most effective opposition to Trump so far - in terms of the things that have really got him riled up and which have resonated with people from across the political spectrum - then its come almost exclusively from comedians and cartoonists. This should be an indicator of how to deal with Trump, to endlessly ridicule him and his circle rather than to try and hold him to a standard that no-one believes he is (or for that matter politicians generally are) at anyway. After all we know it works, as it is what he did.

But that would have zero effect on his support. It would just piss them off more. No idea how that could be an effective strategy.

Although it would be better TV to see a CNN panel just laughing their tits off.

 

[tsubaki]

But that would have zero effect on his support. It would just piss them off more. No idea how that could be an effective strategy.

Although it would be better TV to see a CNN panel just laughing their tits off.

The thing is it doesn't - there are no protests against Oliver, Colbert or Noah, even the rage against Michelle Wolf was more from the circle around Trump than the base - and nor could there be, because they are just doing what Trump does and people find them amusing as well as informative.

What does piss them off is the media bias, the "fake news" and the rest of the stuff the politican opposition to Trump have been doing.

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

But that would have zero effect on his support. It would just piss them off more. No idea how that could be an effective strategy.

Although it would be better TV to see a CNN panel just laughing their tits off.

You don’t need to affect his core support.

The 35-38% who have stuck with him this whole time are never EVER going to change, it’s pointless trying to convert them.

What’s important is mobilising and engaging the left and particularly those who didn’t vote in 2016 - particularly the youth vote that came out for Obama’s twice but not for Hillary.

Early indications - special elections etc - are that this is exactly what’s happening, and it’s the key to a “blue wave” in November.

 

[DanEFC92]

You don’t need to affect his core support.

The 35-38% who have stuck with him this whole time are never EVER going to change, it’s pointless trying to convert them.

What’s important is mobilising and engaging the left and particularly those who didn’t vote in 2016 - particularly the youth vote that came out for Obama’s twice but not for Hillary.

Early indications - special elections etc - are that this is exactly what’s happening, and it’s the key to a “blue wave” in November.

Hopefully the 'they're both the same' bozos have made their minds up by then.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Politics is a harsh business but mocking a man dying of brain cancer seems more than usually vile, especially someone who works in communications who theoretically should have a way with words.

 

[DanEFC92]

Yerrrsss

 

[Remember-the-name]

Yup.

You have no idea you utter mutant

 

[verreauxi]

You have no idea you utter mutant

hahahaha Did I touch a nerve with your favorite jew-hating reality denier? This quote, from your hero, is quite telling. Chock-full of special-pleading just like all of his idiotic scree:

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"Having visited several of these former camps at Auschwitz, Dachau, and Buchenwald, all I can say is that I have not seen any evidence of these large ovens in which Jewish prisoners are said to have been burned. I did visit the crematoria at all three camps and saw that they comprised 6 single-body cremation ovens. It has been many years since I visited Dachau so my recollection of the crematoria there is not as clear as the other two camps.

I don't deny that many Jews were held as prisoners in these camps, and that many died in these camps, but they were certainly not the only group of people who suffered in these camps. At Auschwitz, for example, I know that many of the prisoners were Roman Catholics. The Nazi regime held many political prisoners of different nationalities in their concentration camps.

As I said, I have not seen at these three former camps any evidence of any large oven in which hundreds of people could be gassed or burned. Nor, have I seen any photographs or physical evidence of such an oven. I don't see how this could make me a denier of anything. One can only deny by refusing to acknowledge something that one has seen the evidence of. I have looked for the evidence of these huge gas chambers and crematoria and not found it in the places they are said to have existed. That does not make me a holocaust denier."

--Christopher Bollyn
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