Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[LinekersLegs]

Has he gone senile or something?

Perhaps Cohen has flipped and he had some recordings/paperwork of the discussions and so Guiliani trying to get ahead of the story?

Otherwise seems a very novel legal strategy to apparently confess to at least two campaign finance violations (Cohen in kind donation and Trump reimbursement without reporting to FEC) on live tv.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

I think I understand what you're saying, but my beliefs on immigration aren't premised on the fears/priorities of other people, even other conservatives. We're aligned somewhat I'm sure, but my point is that I didn't get into this fray to end up defending people you've spoken with, if that makes sense.

And I understand the rest of this post too. I think the 50s nostalgia probably has a bit of merit, but as you indicate, it often brushes past some glaring flaws. My family is probably similar to yours. But the truth is that they miss their small towns with neighborly people and flags on every house where nearly everyone went to church. And my belief is that there isn't anything wrong with missing those things. Many of those things are quite good. But it has to be remembered accurately. For example, that those seemingly good, seemingly honest people held awful views about minorities, and sometimes acted awfully as a result.

But I think the difference between my worldview and that of the far left is that I don't think the racism of the time, or whatever the ill of the time, necessarily taints the other characteristics of the period. I reject that sort of deconstructionism.

You get where i'm coming from generally. What i bolded above is what they miss, and in my experience, what many conservatives miss. My problem with it is that people who didn't go to church (and in some places, didn't go to the right church, like Protestant vs Catholic) felt like outsiders even at that time, and feel that a return to that time means, from a mutually exclusive viewpoint, that it must then mean they aren't wanted or valued members of society, which is what you mention later on.

"Neighborly" values are certainly something that have waned in recent years, but there are a litany of reasons for this happening other than immigration. My point is that many conservatives view immigration as the focal point for why this is the case, when many other reasons (the flight from small towns, the necessity for a two-income household, much longer hours worked, in general, by white collar America, etc) have contributed to why that time is in the past

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

You get where i'm coming from generally. What i bolded above is what they miss, and in my experience, what many conservatives miss. My problem with it is that people who didn't go to church (and in some places, didn't go to the right church, like Protestant vs Catholic) felt like outsiders even at that time, and feel that a return to that time means, from a mutually exclusive viewpoint, that it must then mean they aren't wanted or valued members of society, which is what you mention later on.

"Neighborly" values are certainly something that have waned in recent years, but there are a litany of reasons for this happening other than immigration. My point is that many conservatives view immigration as the focal point for why this is the case, when many other reasons (the flight from small towns, the necessity for a two-income household, much longer hours worked, in general, by white collar America, etc) have contributed to why that time is in the past

Essentially, life is simply much, much more complicated than it used to be.

 

[Pettifogger]

You get where i'm coming from generally. What i bolded above is what they miss, and in my experience, what many conservatives miss. My problem with it is that people who didn't go to church (and in some places, didn't go to the right church, like Protestant vs Catholic) felt like outsiders even at that time, and feel that a return to that time means, from a mutually exclusive viewpoint, that it must then mean they aren't wanted or valued members of society, which is what you mention later on.

"Neighborly" values are certainly something that have waned in recent years, but there are a litany of reasons for this happening other than immigration. My point is that many conservatives view immigration as the focal point for why this is the case, when many other reasons (the flight from small towns, the necessity for a two-income household, much longer hours worked, in general, by white collar America, etc) have contributed to why that time is in the past

Yeah make no mistake, I don't mean to blame the loss or absence of those things on immigrants. I'm sure some do, although I think most of them are just latching onto immigration as a scapegoat for the wide variety of things you're referencing. I'm probably most concerned by immigrant enclaves, which have long been part of American history, but which are (I believe) more problematic in modern America.

 

[Pettifogger]

Essentially, life is simply much, much more complicated than it used to be.

Definitely. And I think that's something people should remember when they listen to people being nostalgic about the 50s. Most of those people are desperate for the return of that simplicity; they're not reminiscing about segregation and prejudice. I don't think you can look at those positive aspects in a vacuum, but I also don't think there is anything wrong with praising certain elements of that era.

 

[Ruairi77]

Definitely. And I think that's something people should remember when they listen to people being nostalgic about the 50s. Most of those people are desperate for the return of that simplicity; they're not reminiscing about segregation and prejudice. I don't think you can look at those positive aspects in a vacuum, but I also don't think there is anything wrong with praising certain elements of that era.

like 70% tax on top earners!

 

[Pettifogger]

like 70% tax on top earners!

As I've said all along, terrible, terrible decade, nothing good happened back then

 

[Khalekan]

Dinner in the Conway household must be fun

Is he Kelly Ann’s husband?

 

[SteveSC]

As I've said all along, terrible, terrible decade, nothing good happened back then

Hopefully you are being sarcastic or are limiting that to man being backwards and dicks to their fellow man

But there are exceptions in terms of Science and tech.... (in no particular order)

First commercial computer
First hard disk used
A.E.C. (Atomic Energy Commission) produces electricity from atomic energy
Power steering
VCR
Heart lung machine
Flash for cameras
Pocket transistor radio
Optic fiber
Velcro
AA alkaline batteries
The modem .................... This just to name a few items and inventions.

 

[SteveSC]

Is he Kelly Ann’s husband?

He sure is and he is the complete opposite to her.

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[Pettifogger]

Hopefully you are being sarcastic or are limiting that to man being backwards and dicks to their fellow man

But there are exceptions in terms of Science and tech.... (in no particular order)

First commercial computer
First hard disk used
A.E.C. (Atomic Energy Commission) produces electricity from atomic energy
Power steering
VCR
Heart lung machine
Flash for cameras
Pocket transistor radio
Optic fiber
Velcro
AA alkaline batteries
The modem .................... This just to name a few items and inventions.

Was joking Steve

 

[ilikecheese]

Enforcement of current law seems like a good place to start.

Absolutely. Enforcement doesn't require a $30 billion investment in an easily breached barrier.

I wonder if you feel the same about enforcing campaign finance laws?

 

[ilikecheese]

Was joking Steve

Thought that was pretty obvious.

 

[SteveSC]

Thought that was pretty obvious.

I was having a Donald Trump moment then haha!!