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It’s the ‘build a wall’ stuff that throws me

Considering the Texas/California thing, you know I'm not serious about legally keeping Californians from going to Texas, right?

As for a wall on the southern border, I don't know what throws you off about it. I get disagreeing with it. I suppose I get the complaints about the symbolic nature of it. I get the practical considerations about whether it would work, and cost.

But at its most basic, I have no objection whatsoever to a country using physical barriers to secure that country's border. If you do, then we just disagree.
 
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. I thought we were talking about my views on immigration. I'm not being narcissistic, but when the discussion changes from what I think to what people who are kind of similar to me think, I'm way down a path of argument I may not have ever signed up for.

But even going into your more macro discussion, you're probably going to take a pretty subjective view of what the right's subjective views are. I know that's confusing/circular, but the point is that it comes through the lens of your political perspective, and I tend to think that isn't reality to some degree. I don't think most of the people you know want to return to an age where sexual harassment was totally accepted and black people were oppressed. Do they want some things from that age to return? Probably. And what's wrong with that? I tend to think the era is quite romanticized, but I'm sure there probably were some noble beliefs and social norms that we could benefit from.
I thought your prior post was saying that "American values" were freedom of speech and freedom to offend. If that's not what you meant, my post will make no sense.

As far as my greater point, the people I know that romanticize that time in the past (my family, mostly) cannot comprehend that along with that time comes detestable beliefs (views on women/minorities) that you and I mention, as collateral damage. They can't wrap their brains around that, and it's frustrating. Do I think the right is objectively racist and sexist? No. But do I think they bury their heads in the sand on these issues - unequivocally yes
 
I know a lot of Texans living around Californians in Texas.

I agree it happens everywhere. That's why I said you could use any state for an example most likely. California is where plenty of terrible ideas take root, but certainly they're not limited to California.

When I say nativist I mean someone who is seeking to avoid having a community influenced by non-natives. And that just isn't me. I live in a pretty diverse place, but I come from a pretty non-diverse place. Diversity for the sake of diversity isn't important to me, but I nonetheless elect to live in a place where there is more diversity because I just find it more interesting.

I wholeheartedly agree with you on immigrants who are often more willing to embrace American ideals than native folk. Not sure what's mad about that or my statements that preceded that. I think it's difficult to have discussions about immigration in this thread because people assume I'm anti-immigrant by default. So if I break from the "immigrants are bad" character, I'm "all over the place." But if I express pretty mainstream beliefs, like we should enforce immigration laws and avoid enclaves and secure the border, it's right back to thinking I'm opposed to any outside influence.

You turned an immigrant conversation into a progressive type moving to a different state and infringing on the local beliefs because the progressive type thinks their way of thinking is regressive.

Your seemingly ok with immigrants as long as they integrate and fall in line. As long as they don't don't interfere with the "natives" community.

My point to you was which is odd you seem to agree with that immigrants generally are not the sort to go in and ruffle feathers. To put that point across you decided to use Californians moving to Texas as an example.

Really you have an issue with progressives in general. Which most immigrants are. I put it to you earlier that is the real issue with conservatives and immigrants. You know this because there are those who believe all immigrants will vote democrat by default.

I think there are those who fear change in this country. They know it will come and they fear it reaching them and by your native community it seems you might be one of them. the more immigrants that come and with better access to information people are growing and expaning their minds. Its no surprise some on the right are attacking colleges and universities and im not talking about the whole protests and free speech. The right is losing when it comes to college graduates.

You could have simply said that some immigrants dont like to integrate and its those that cause problems in communities. Instead you went wit progressives types.

Honestly i think you don't hate nor do i think you are anti immigrant but you did sort of go in a mad direction.

You started out going on about Trump building a wall which you agree with and then it became a conversation about immigrants ruining community sort of i guess.

Anyway that Trump what a clown am i right? hahaha!! (poor attempt to keep thread on topic haha!!)
 
Considering the Texas/California thing, you know I'm not serious about legally keeping Californians from going to Texas, right?

As for a wall on the southern border, I don't know what throws you off about it. I get disagreeing with it. I suppose I get the complaints about the symbolic nature of it. I get the practical considerations about whether it would work, and cost.

But at its most basic, I have no objection whatsoever to a country using physical barriers to secure that country's border. If you do, then we just disagree.

Walls are built to keep the enemy at bay. Neither Mexico nor immigrants (legal or not) are the enemy of this nation.
 
I thought your prior post was saying that "American values" were freedom of speech and freedom to offend. If that's not what you meant, my post will make no sense.

As far as my greater point, the people I know that romanticize that time in the past (my family, mostly) cannot comprehend that along with that time comes detestable beliefs (views on women/minorities) that you and I mention, as collateral damage. They can't wrap their brains around that, and it's frustrating. Do I think the right is objectively racist and sexist? No. But do I think they bury their heads in the sand on these issues - unequivocally yes

I think I understand what you're saying, but my beliefs on immigration aren't premised on the fears/priorities of other people, even other conservatives. We're aligned somewhat I'm sure, but my point is that I didn't get into this fray to end up defending people you've spoken with, if that makes sense.

And I understand the rest of this post too. I think the 50s nostalgia probably has a bit of merit, but as you indicate, it often brushes past some glaring flaws. My family is probably similar to yours. But the truth is that they miss their small towns with neighborly people and flags on every house where nearly everyone went to church. And my belief is that there isn't anything wrong with missing those things. Many of those things are quite good. But it has to be remembered accurately. For example, that those seemingly good, seemingly honest people held awful views about minorities, and sometimes acted awfully as a result.

But I think the difference between my worldview and that of the far left is that I don't think the racism of the time, or whatever the ill of the time, necessarily taints the other characteristics of the period. I reject that sort of deconstructionism.
 
Went to lunch with a customer today, really nice guy. At lunch his coworker started mentioning the whole investigation. Guy I know starts saying "It's completely a liberal conspiracy. It's a witch hunt by the democrats to make Trump look bad". I finally just said "Mueller is a Republican. Rosenstein is a Republican. Comey is a Republican. MOST of the people on the case are Republicans. How can a case comprised of mostly Republicans be a "witch hunt" of a Republican person?"

He had NO idea that most of that whole group were Republicans. "Whaa? No way, I would have heard that". Well, no, because your "news" is the definition of biased.
 
Good fences and all that.

Walls are used to control access to all sorts of things, including by countries with regard to their own citizens.

We have a system for entry that is being disregarded and abused. A wall is a proposal to correct that. Simple, really.

So, let's fix the system instead of doing something that won't solve the problem.
 
Went to lunch with a customer today, really nice guy. At lunch his coworker started mentioning the whole investigation. Guy I know starts saying "It's completely a liberal conspiracy. It's a witch hunt by the democrats to make Trump look bad". I finally just said "Mueller is a Republican. Rosenstein is a Republican. Comey is a Republican. MOST of the people on the case are Republicans. How can a case comprised of mostly Republicans be a "witch hunt" of a Republican person?"

He had NO idea that most of that whole group were Republicans. "Whaa? No way, I would have heard that". Well, no, because your "news" is the definition of biased.

Next time you see him he will say they are deep state Republicans trying to keep the swamp.
 

“Financial institutions have a legal obligation to report such disbursements and have programs in place to identify such attempts to avoid the reporting."
The $10k figure is key. Payments above $10k are required to be reported to FinCEN by the banks. If it turns out that the Stormy payments were <$10k, it would show a deliberate attempt to subvert banking laws.
Oh boy, since the payment is over $100k they could be in huge trouble. FinCEN says structuring payments to avoid reporting requirements on payments above $100k, “can result in imprisonment for not more than” 10 years with a possible $500k fine. fincen.gov/sites/default/…
 
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