Speaking for myself yes, but by making it easier for many of the same people who would be crossing illegally to cross legally on guest worker visas.
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This to me would be the best idea. Allow the farmers and other professionals hire temporary workers legally from central and south america.
Lets be honest Americans don't want to do most of the jobs a lot of these illegals currently do.
There was a documentary or news piece i cant remember if it was vice or someone else and they discussed with a fruit farmer about his issues if illegals were taken away from him.
He tried the unemployed locals but that didn't work for him as most of them quit on day 1 due to intense labor.
He tried the prison system but they were just happy to be outside and cared nothing about the job itself.
Whether this country likes it or not there are those industries were this type of worker is needed. As in someone who is really willing to roll up their sleeves and get to work.
The day worker or guest worker would work perfectly here in San Diego as a lot of legal Mexicans already commute from TJ to their work as its much cheaper to live there.
If you told some of the illegals they could live there and work here legally i would say a lot of them would do it.
And I was wrong, she was "reassigned" within HHS.
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(CNN)A political appointee at the Department of Health and Human Services has apologized and is now back at work at the department after it came to light that she spread conspiracy theories and shared an image that said "our forefathers would have hung" Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton for treason on social media.
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/02/politics/kfile-ximena-barreto-update/index.html
Anyone want to make bets on how long Jay stays on the team?
@LinekersLegs has already answered this for me. Fix the problem, don't use it as a political tool to stoke fear and anger.
I would prefer this too. Of course, I would also prefer the number of guest worker visas to be lower than the current number of illegal immigrant residents/yearly illegal crossings.
Yes, I believe we disagree on the level of immigration overall, not just illegal immigration. California is one of the states with the highest levels of immigration and I live in San Mateo which is higher still and am an immigrant myself - all of which no doubt make me more sympathetic to the benefits vs any downsides.
I honestly don't have the outrage at illegal immigration that many conservatives do. As stupid as it is, Trump's "you either have a country or you don't" mantra resonates with me more than tweeting about every illegal immigrant that commits a violent crime.
It's hard for me to be irate about people looking for opportunity to improve their situation, finding and taking it. My problem lies more with what happens next than with the concept of immigration itself. I think lawful immigrants should have their cultural impact felt by the country where they take up residence. I just don't think they should supplant what existed before them, and I think America needs to settle on the right balance of being a safe harbor for those wanting to enjoy and celebrate our ideals while also operating from a "what are you going to bring to this neighborhood/city/country" mindset.
I may sometimes sound like a nativist, but my concerns tend to be more practical. By way of analogy, it's similar to how I feel about Californians flocking to Texas then advocating to turn Texas into California.
WHAT??
you do this all the time. Make some hardline conservative point, then when someone makes a considered response, it's all 'yea, well I'm not really that hard line on the issue'. Smacks of wummery to me.
You dont think immigrants should supplant what existed before them? I didn't realize you were native American. You should let Trump know, he'll put you over his right shoulder at a rally and give you an 'indians for Trump' sign.
You want to build a wall on the western border of Texas to stop pesky Californians getting in and ruining Texan culture?
Come on man, your post is all over the place.
Isn't that human nature though to evolve and change? California is a progressive state merely because of the many different nationalities and cultures that live here.
It's good for the state as has most of the change.
See that's what i think conservatives are afraid of in general. They believe progressive types want to change their values and remove their traditions.
Which is really not true. For the most part progressives respect traditions and culture unless of course its racist or cruel or simply not fitting with the ever changing world.
Texas isn't being turned. It's progressing and the young people are seeing that their is more they can experience and do, more cultures they can explore etc...
What annoys me about some conservatives and traditionalists is that they can be Hypocrites. They enjoy Mexican food, they celebrate foreign cultures (paddy's day, cinco de mayo etc...) but at the same time accuse minorities and progressives of trying to change them and what they believe.
If the young people of Texas or any other state want to change their way of living and thinking because of ideals or cultures implanted from elsewhere why isn't that a good thing? It's not as if the liberals are purposely moving there to assimilate them or destroy their ways. That's the churches job right?
I know plenty of american born Mexican's, Hondurans, Chinese etc... since i have moved here and they love this country. They accept traditions and also like to celebrate their own too without infringing on anyone else. But the best part is they are welcoming in letting people celebrate with them. Much like the Irish here. We are proud to make up the population here and respect peoples ways but we also like to have a touch of home and thus we have Irish nights and fairs etc...
I have no clue what you're talking about. I got a reasoned post from LL and I responded in kind.
No, I don't think immigrants should supplant what came before them. Hope that clears it up for you.
Your Texas/California wall thing is stupid.
I dont know if you're joking or serious about Californians in Texas, maybe you can clear that up.
It's my opinion that for you to think what you think about immigrant culture, you'd have to make an effort to learn the ways of the people your people supplanted. I'm guessing you haven't done that.
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No matter how clearly I set forth an opinion, it's like you and Ruari just blow right past them.
To answer this question, I'm not going to build a wall around Texas. If Californians ultimately make home prices unaffordable in Texas and import their increasingly hostile business environment to Texas, well, that's just how things go. But in general, I think if you flee a place that has flaws, you probably shouldn't advocate for those flaws in the place you land.
Go on. Who should I learn about and why? And then you can tell me why that practice is noble and aspirational when it comes to the failings of "my people" but backwards when it comes to modern America.
FFS there's that condescending attitude.
Did i mention a wall? No. I read what you said, i understood what you said and i replied that your just not accepting of change simple as that....
But maybe you missed my point and just want to take a cheap shot.
As for Texas. The texas governor and prominent business folk spend years trying to coax Californian businesses and people to move there because taxes were lower, costs were lower and it seems to a degree it was successful... There were ad in the papers online and on TV. What did they expect would happen?
Now if there they make lives for themselves and there are a few thousand of them integrating all the while bring their own culture with them then so be it.
Texas wanted them in the first place.
Also the one moving there in the last couple of years are conservatives so they are your ilk.
California is not failing by the way. The only ones that think that are conservatives that live here. The rest of us have our issues but we don't believe its failing.
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