You really haven't come across well in the last couple of months.
Donald Trump for President Thread
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You really haven't come across well in the last couple of months.
How so?
TheFinnFan
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I think he's been genuine in his thoughts and worries.
Jags..class
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Don't agree with these protests. He won so move on.
Never mind the rose-tinted 'past' you comment on - I'd posit that you're displaying rose-tinted naivety right now in thinking ANY politicians are honest, or don't spin lies/half-truths.
If you want some regulator to analyse and call all politicians to account, they'd end up having to run office themselves as there'd be no politicians left.
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I should have stated in my opinion.
Remind you of anything? A couple of months ago.
Ok, I'm not having this hackney'd 'both sides told lies' stuff. I've said many times, when the presidential debates were analysed for truthfulness, Clinton told lies around 30% of the time, which is bad. Trump told lies around 90% of the time. I'm not here to suggest that politicians are honest, but only the blind could not see a huge difference there.
On the second point, I'd love to know what you think the answer is, as I'm sure you're not advocating that it's fine for politicians to lie just so long as the biggest fibber is one you voted for. We should demand better from all candidates.
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These voters might have their reasons for voting Trump. I don't like the way people assume that they are clueless, only voted because of emigration or just wanted a change.
They might have a bad time under Obama, you know people can get fed up with their Government, this is not the people fault, this is down to the government for not spoting this issue. Hillary camp didn't learn anything from the brexit. Just assumed she won already.
These so called stars who are unhappy should spend their time with the people and listen to them and find what is the issue here? Why did they turn to Trump? Oh I know they are thick. How does comments like this help. These so called 'thick people's have lives too and are entitled to a vote and should be respected.
They might have a bad time under Obama, you know people can get fed up with their Government, this is not the people fault, this is down to the government for not spoting this issue. Hillary camp didn't learn anything from the brexit. Just assumed she won already.
These so called stars who are unhappy should spend their time with the people and listen to them and find what is the issue here? Why did they turn to Trump? Oh I know they are thick. How does comments like this help. These so called 'thick people's have lives too and are entitled to a vote and should be respected.
Which you're welcome to, of course, but I'm not sure it's the done thing to put something like that out there without qualifying it.
If I may, I think the issue is twofold.
1) I accept that a great many western governments have overlooked the 'losers' from globalisation for too long, I'm not sure many would dispute that. Where the dispute comes is in what can be done about that. On the one hand you have those that say that globalisation has broadly been a tremendous force for good, and that change is an inevitable aspect of modern life, so we must help people better adapt to that change, whether that's through easier routes to retraining, making it easier for people to move to where work is and so on. In my opinion this is the more honest answer, but it requires work from both the electorate and the state.
On the other hand you have those that say that those same losers from globalisation can be helped by kicking out migrants. This is undoubtedly an 'easier' path as it doesn't require any change from the electorate as it supposes that once the migrants are gone things will be good again. I think that's a fundamentally dishonest approach, even aside from the ethics of treating migrants in such a way. I've said previously, there was a recent report that found that automation had disrupted American jobs far more than Mexicans, so unless Trump is proposing some kind of technological regression, change to the labour market isn't going away any time soon, and with AI progressing as it is, I would wager that it's going to get a whole lot more disruptive rather than less. For me it's akin to burying your head in the sand rather than honestly addressing the challenge.
2) We've been down this road before. After the last great recession we had populist politicians getting in on the back of claims that problems were down to migrants and that they would make their country great again. That had horrendous consequences. People see openly racist politicians gaining ground in many European states, and then see the new president of the United States making similarly racist comments about Mexicans, Muslims and so on. I sincerely hope that history doesn't repeat itself, but surely people can appreciate the fear that many folks have right now?
You Voted Trump didn't you ?? ..... oooohhh.. you ickle devil you !!
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