Donald Trump for President Thread

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I thought NZ main stream news was a bit puerile...but I am genuinely astonished at watching US's equivalent: it is not only puerile, it is unbalanced as all f***.
If America wants to start fixing it's serious issues, it perhaps might lend attention toward its ineptly biased fourth estate .
I suggest the wonder isn't 'how did America get to this inflection point?' Rather, given the quality of their mainstream media 'feed', how didn't it come sooner??

Honestly, CNN used to be the most neutral place to watch. Fox News' entrance into the world supposedly reporting things as 'Fair and Balanced' (even though it was far right leaning) was the game changer. Their ratings were through the roof...the perfect breading ground for programs sold as 'News' that were 100% right leaning editorial programming.

Right leaning media in this country perpetuated things like Obama's citizenship by constantly covering it and questioning it. Americans ate it up. Rush Limbaugh hoped for a failed Obama presidency after the 2008 election.

While CNN has further moved to the left over time to try to retain viewership, it's still far more neutral than Fox.

The day of the infamous 'grab them by the p*ssy' (soz mods) tape being made public was not even covered by Fox.

Anyway, the bigger point I intended to make here was that the media both right and left are fighting for ratings...and have been an integral part of dividing this country further. TL;DR.
 
Honestly, CNN used to be the most neutral place to watch. Fox News' entrance into the world supposedly reporting things as 'Fair and Balanced' (even though it was far right leaning) was the game changer. Their ratings were through the roof...the perfect breading ground for programs sold as 'News' that were 100% right leaning editorial programming.

Right leaning media in this country perpetuated things like Obama's citizenship by constantly covering it and questioning it. Americans ate it up. Rush Limbaugh hoped for a failed Obama presidency after the 2008 election.

While CNN has further moved to the left over time to try to retain viewership, it's still far more neutral than Fox.

The day of the infamous 'grab them by the p*ssy' (soz mods) tape being made public was not even covered by Fox.

Anyway, the bigger point I intended to make here was that the media both right and left are fighting for ratings...and have been an integral part of dividing this country further. TL;DR.
unintended consequences of US authorities allowing the hollowing out of the fourth estate...in the 80's there were like 50 independent entities, now there are 6? All owned by dual nationals??
 
lol I like that acronym. I am not familiar enough with US main stream media to comment authoritatively, but if the partisan media sit com show I am presently viewing (and finding great comedy therein) is anything to go by, intelligent democracy in USA has little chance.
Do Americans really watch these channels to form informed opinion?
No wonder they got Hillary vs Trump lol lol
Back in the Navy, we knew it as the 'Communist News Network'

Before I actually paid attention to politics......
 
unintended consequences of US authorities allowing the hollowing out of the fourth estate...in the 80's there were like 50 independent entities, now there are 6? All owned by dual nationals??

Perhaps. MSNBC was created as the alternate to Fox News. For me it was just as unwatchable as Fox though. CNN was very central but has defo has moved left over time. It has now become what MSNBC tried to be.

Make no mistake it's not about supporting a side for these folks...it's all about ratings. The added bonus is the platform to create a 'news' forum that is editorial in nature.

CNN still actually reports unbiased news though...even if their editorial programming is left leaning.
 
If they want to leave I will pack their bags for them. Just because they are so called stars they think they have some kind of control over American politics. It was an epic fail on their part.

them leaving is them claiming to have control over american politics ? ok

or are you saying them supporting a candidate means they think they have control over american politics ?

either way, it makes no sense.
 
Bit of plagairism from a guy on Imgur of all places!!

In March I explained in-depth how Donald Trump had already won the Presidency by implementing almost every strategy found in 'The Art of War' during the Republican Primaries.

Needless to say I was right. Hillary had no plan against Trump. She used the same attacks against Trump that his Republican rivals did: he's a bigot, a racist, a blah blah blah. That didn't work in the primaries and it didn't work in the general election.

As I stated back in March there is no political strategy to beat Trump. He's not playing by political rules, that's the whole point. I did see two paths to beating him, and neither was about Hillary:

The first strategy was Bernie winning the Democratic Primaries. He had the swag, the charisma, the cuddly Grandpa mentality. His appeal was the same as that of Biden: Go-lucky, real, passionate. Unfortunately he was running against the Clinton Machine/DNC and he got churned out like a hunk of beef.

The second strategy was Bernie, yes THAT Bernie, again. He should have been the VP even though Hillary leans center way more than progressive. Her inability to negotiate was her undoing. It's not just about the Bernie voters that refused to vote Hillary, it was about their enthusiasm. Like it or not they were a ground-game unlike anything anyone's ever seen. The ridiculous amount of donations, the millions of phone calls, the millions of doors knocked. Their passion was most needed against Trump.

Yes, Bernie campaigned for Hillary during the general election, but it was no longer the same. Bernie used to be their guy, their champion that could fight against the 1%, for $15 minimum wage, free healthcare, and free tuition. He couldn't do that while campaigning for Hillary without being on the ballot because everyone knew she didn't really care about any of that. So what was Hillary left with? No passion, no drive, no enthusiasm, no Bernie, no Presidency. She was too proud, and that, ladies and gents, is what Trump exposed to perfection. Yes folks, Trump is a master strategist, and he knew Hillary's weakness was her stoic character. During the campaign you often heard Hillary mention that the Republicans have been attacking her for 30 years and never found anything to hurt her. She wore that as a badge of honor, she thought that made her stronger. But, as Trump had done in the Republican Primaries, he took the quality his opponents covet most and he turned it on its head.

Crooked Hillary. Hillary Rotten Clinton. Drain the Swamp. Lock her up.

Much like Picasso's abstract paintings, Trump's brush strokes made little sense to most people. Yes, she's a political power house, yes she's a stalwart in her convictions. But that also makes her stiff in her beliefs. The world is ever-changing, how can someone maintain their convictions for 30+ years unless they're crooked and a cheat? How can they maintain power with the elites unless their entire cesspool of a swamp was also polluted? Lock her up.

Trump took her stoicism and grounded it into a pulp. His first attack on Hillary during the general election was that "If she wasn't playing the woman card she wouldn't even get 5% of the vote." BOOM, head shot. How did Hillary respond? "If fighting for women's rights and equal pay is playing the woman card, then deal. Me. IN!"

This played perfectly into Trump's hand. He knew she'd be defiant in being a woman and take that attack personally. He used her soundbites to wedge a gap between men and women voters. The male vote wasn't 2:1 for Trump because they were misogynists, it was because Hillary's words excluded their existence. Remember 'The Art of War'? It's all about divide and conquer. When did Hillary ever talk about men's issues? Never. While Hillary thought she was being stoic in protecting the woman card, Trump was actually playing the man card.

I could go on and on, but truth be told I haven't slept yet and I've written too much as is. If you're interested in reading more I'll post again tomorrow. There's plenty to talk about. How Trump had more Hispanic voters than any Republican in history, how Trump had more LGBT voters than any Republican in history (even though his VP is the biggest anti-LGBT in politics), or how Trump ended up with 48% of the woman vote even after those Access Hollywood tapes.

Regardless of how you feel about the election, it truly was a masterful performance by Donald Trump. One that will go down in history as not only the most shocking victory, but I would dare say the most expertly perfected victory in US political history.
 
You shared a sub with right wing wackos who joined the Navy though.

;)

Yep. Lots of Republicans. In fact we had a reserve officer onboard as the Navigator for our Panama Canal transit (god he was an awful officer and knew nothing about navigation. Our ANAV had come to us after 10 years out of rate, so me, as the Nav div LPO, I was doing everything. Real crappy time) and he was running for senate in North Dakota as a Republican. The president called our boat to speak with him (that caused awe onboard).

He lost.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duane_Sand

Edit: Apparently he ran for the House as well, and keeps losing.
 
Congratulations on your win.

He's already failed on the promise of building that massive wall that Mexico is gonna pay for.

How ignorant do you have to be to actually believe that was real?

I spoke with a Trump supporter this morning who said, with a fully straight face, how glad he was that Clinton didn't win because she was planning to bring in ~ 500,000 Syrian refugees and that this would lead to ISIS setting up in America.

People say you shouldn't criticize Trump/Brexit voters as being daft, but then they come out with hum dingers like that.
 
I spoke with a Trump supporter this morning who said, with a fully straight face, how glad he was that Clinton didn't win because she was planning to bring in ~ 500,000 Syrian refugees and that this would lead to ISIS setting up in America.

People say you shouldn't criticize Trump/Brexit voters as being daft, but then they come out with hum dingers like that.

Perhaps the bigger picture is folks on both sides simply are not educated enough to make a proper vote. Making one on a 'feeling' is not really the way to go.

I mean when you buy food, you have the opportunity to educate yourself on the ingredients...and the stats that go along with them if you read the label.

Would putting the 'ingredients' and 'harms and benefits' on the ballot be a bad thing?

Our ballots are out of control already...so I know this isn't realistic...
 
Perhaps the bigger picture is folks on both sides simply are not educated enough to make a proper vote. Making one on a 'feeling' is not really the way to go.

I mean when you buy food, you have the opportunity to educate yourself on the ingredients...and the stats that go along with them if you read the label.

Would putting the 'ingredients' and 'harms and benefits' on the ballot be a bad thing?

Our ballots are out of control already...so I know this isn't realistic...

Yes and no. I don't have any stats on this, but I would say this is probably the most fact-checked election in history. If you want to know if a politician is lying these days it's possible to do so like never before. You can educate yourself, but I'm not sure people want to as it's much easier to vote with your heart than your head.

But yes, and I said this in the 'does democracy work' thread, I really do think there needs to be an independent regulator that makes a much bigger deal of politicians who tell lies in their campaigns. Democracy only really stands a chance if the people we vote for are honest, and whereas in some rose-tinted past we might have been able to rely on the media to hold them to account, that certainly isn't the case now, with many in the media quite happy to promote the lies, and even embellish them further.
 
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