Donald Trump for President Thread

[jal123]

What I find hard is how these right wing head the balls find any connection to the city of Liverpool, and even worse a connection to Everton?

I don't care who supports Everton from afar, but if your politics is im alright jack bollocks to you lot nonsense then what do you see in Everton that means you relate to the club, to the area, to the people the club represents?

Eitc for example is the very antithesis of right wing politics, and something I'm immensely proud of as a local resident because I can see with my own eyes, and through family members who are supported through it the good it does and obviously because it appeals to my core values.

Presumably the more right wing followers feel this is money that should be kept by the club, the rope ladder pulled up so to speak?

 

[GwladysBlue]

Then why do you concern yourself with our country's immigration policies?

Got nothing to do with you in your happy little world that you live in.

Jesus Christ.

I'm commenting on the most talked about event in the world right now.

I'll let you get back to shooting your guns in the air with your kinfolk in celebration.

 

[ToffeeTim]

An 18 year old Syrian lad would be turned away under vetting, so tries to gain entry illegally.

I don't know about you, but at 18 I didn't feel like a big tough man. I was just out of sixth form and had no real life experience.

Imagine what these young Syrian lads have to face. The Mail say they should be back in their country fighting ISIS who set people on fire in cages.

No matter who they are, what age they are, etc. these people are vulnerable and they need our help.

Well if they are turned away then our screening needs to improve.

I'm just as interested if not more interested in what they do once they come. Simple things like learning the language go a long way in releasing a lot of the tension in areas of numerous races.

 

[Gladystweet]

Oh I type with a funny accent do I? Well hey I'm sure you'll be glad to hear that at age eleven I was actually diagnosed with sausage-fingers. Still think it's funny?




**bites nails

***realises they need a bit of brown sauce

You sound like you're flippin fumim there Tez. I don't blame you.

 

[USABlue]

So you do own baseball caps?

Glad we cleared that up.

Is it a stereotype to say you are gun toting oddballs who wear caps, if it's true?

Alot of americans wear caps with or without guns

 

[RaleighBlue]

We haven't had anything like this happen since 1980, Bill. It's an amazing time.

These folks are hurt and confused, and have no intellectual framework or language to explain this beyond greed, xenophobia, and racism. Maybe someone will be able to offer an olive branch in future weeks, but clearly the pain is too much to bear to avoid confrontation with someone who doesn't read out of the same hymnal.

Politics does terrible things to good people. It makes them say, do, and post things that they'll likely be ashamed of later when they think about what they have said about others on this forum, through words or actions. They'd never do it face to face, to be sure. Most everybody here was raised right, at least to that standard.

I'm still waiting for that self-examination and contrition to kick in, but the time obviously isn't right yet.

I feel like you don't read my posts, mezz.

I thought we were bbq buddies.

I feel like I explained it fairly clearly without resorting to any of those buzzwords. The system has the vast majority of the electorate against it, one party ran a populist (who is a vile human being, and should never have had a shot) while the other party ran possibly the most hated woman in America that divided her base while unifying her opposition to an extent. This is a result of the DNC having no concept of what this country wants or needs and being wholly committed to the status quo based on the fundamental misunderstanding that no one would ever vote in the Republicans.

They underestimate the pain and suffering of the common stock of America and cater to people that are decided already. And then they get surprised when the beaten dog bites.

That doesn't excuse or eliminate the very, very real element of xenophobia, racism and misogyny on offer from the victorious camp. It just doesn't place the victory at it's feet. We still need to acknowledge it exists to prevent normalizing it.

We can do both. We can compromise. We can work to a common good and understanding and try and make things better. But to do it, we have to be honest and see our flaws, accept them, and work to correct them.

 

[GwladysBlue]

Saudi peninsula states (Bar Yemen) incapable of sheltering them?

Does it matter?

I'd like to think we have the compassion to shelter them.

 

[roydo]

What I find hard is how these right wing head the balls find any connection to the city of Liverpool, and even worse a connection to Everton?

I don't care who supports Everton from afar, but if your politics is im alright jack bollocks to you lot nonsense then what do you see in Everton that means you relate to the club, to the area, to the people the club represents?

Eitc for example is the very antithesis of right wing politics, and something I'm immensely proud of as a local resident because I can see with my own eyes, and through family members who are supported through it the good it does and obviously because it appeals to my core values.

Presumably the more right wing followers feel this is money that should be kept by the club, the rope ladder pulled up so to speak?

Think most 8 year olds choose their football club way before they are arsed about politics.

 

[GwladysBlue]

Well if they are turned away then our screening needs to improve.

I'm just as interested if not more interested in what they do once they come. Simple things like learning the language go a long way in releasing a lot of the tension in areas of numerous races.

You've put your points across well and I can see where you're coming from.

Let's just agree to disagree on this

 

[jal123]

Think most 8 year olds choose their football club way before they are arsed about politics.

I don't think 8 year olds in America choose clubs based on anything.

I sense you took offence to my comment, it clearly wasn't aimed at good folk like yourself, like I said I'm not arsed where people are from but Christ when you're old enough to realise the facts surely something would hit home.

 

[TX Bill]

The difference is that we (Europeans) are responding to a humanitarian crisis, as we should - I'd also like to think that for the majority of Europeans a blanket ban (even if temporary) on any religion would never be permitted. Remember we saw it all happen in the 1930's and look at the consequences of that.

The idea that you ban on the grounds of religion is preposterous. If it's because you want to secure your borders you, as we have, have sophisticated means of identifying potential terrorists or miscreants. Hence my comment about it being an unnecessarily blunt tool - unless of course, the intent is different?

Well Esk to put it bluntly, Europe is doing a very very poor job of it.

You're also attempting to interject a strawman here.

Temporary restrictions on immigration until determinations are made of who exactly is coming into a country are prudent and sensible. You'll find it hard to argue otherwise, especially as the media runs stories daily about the massive issues accompanying a mass influx of people across borders with absolutely zero control.

No one had said anything about a permanent wholesale ban based on religious reasons.

 

[TX Bill]

It does though. Or do you deny that American policy has implications on the global stage?

Do you deny that our policy on allowing unchecked illegal immigration has implications domestically?

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Does it matter?

I'd like to think we have the compassion to shelter them.

Well yes, it DOES matter actually.

Don't cry about racism & xenophobia when the current policies are fanning the flames throughout Europe, and to increase immigration would add further fuel to the fire.

Meanwhile, 'compassion' from the muslim brothers & sisters on the saudi peninsula has been almost non-existent.

 

[USABlue]

I don't think 8 year olds in America choose clubs based on anything.

I sense you took offence to my comment, it clearly wasn't aimed at good folk like yourself, like I said I'm not arsed where people are from but Christ when you're old enough to realise the facts surely something would hit home.

Dont support trump (or hiliary for that matter), i started following everton to watch Tim and Landon (when he was on loan) but got hooked by the clubs history and fans.

 

[orly]

The difference is that we (Europeans) are responding to a humanitarian crisis, as we should - I'd also like to think that for the majority of Europeans a blanket ban (even if temporary) on any religion would never be permitted. Remember we saw it all happen in the 1930's and look at the consequences of that.

The idea that you ban on the grounds of religion is preposterous. If it's because you want to secure your borders you, as we have, have sophisticated means of identifying potential terrorists or miscreants. Hence my comment about it being an unnecessarily blunt tool - unless of course, the intent is different?

Having played an integral role in creating the crisis and then perpetuating it by not reacting correctly.

Again; we are cursing the outcome and not scrutinising the causes of Trump's election / Brexit. We give to foodbanks, we commemorate atrocities, but we fundamentally have refused to look into why we have let these things happen. You see it in here - 'Don't blame me, I didn't vote for him'. No-one cares; but we all helped foster an environment where it was allowed to occur.