Donald Trump for President Thread

[ToffeeDan]

The Charge Sheet

Firstly The Republican/Tea Party blame for allowing a non-member (or, being generous, someone with no previously known Republican sentiments) and someone with no obvious political experience to stand

Secondly The established GOP grandees for not putting a strong candidate up against him

Thirdly the Democrats for putting forward a questionable challenger

Fourthly for Clinton not having the gumption or humility to put Sanders on her ticket

Fifth: Assange, Comey and all others who spewed forth dreadful, biased information designed to devastate one candidate

Finally the Electorate for believing all the dreadful rhetoric of Trump - and his questionable promises - and the effect it could have for the well being of the have-nots.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Sorry mate, but I find this very complacent.

You have to fight fascism wherever you find it. A man has been elected President of the USA on the back of racial slurs, demonising immigrants, mocking disabled people, threatening his female opposition and openly boasting about sexual assaults. The social impact of this result on blacks, minorities and women will be huge.

People assume that progress is linear. Well it isn't, and this is a massive step in the wrong direction.

He's a very nasty man. But I'm not sure on the fascist shout yet. I'm pretty convinced he's a nasty manipulator of the masses and just played to the gallery without having one intention of following through with his wall etc.

You could be right mate. But I'm not going to agree with the fascist shout till we've seen him in office.

 

[Prevenger17]

His behaviour almost reminds me of a boxer. Diabolical trash talk and nastiness before the event but respect appears afterwards.

That's the thing. His detractors dismiss anything agreeable he says as lies, and any mental thing he says as a direct threat. He just riffs. Pretty clear he has no intention of trying to put Hillary in jail. Frankly, nobody has an effing clue what the man intends to do

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

That'll be 1957 then
yeah we had an outside bog and Bronco toilet paper but all those who wanted a job had one
yeah we had 39 to a class, but we left school able to read and write and nobody had heard of 'Remedial'
Half of the country was not obese
If you could have todays medicine it would be near utopia
Oh and you had the best 10 years ever coming up...before it all turned to shight

That's right.

And the elderly could generally afford to heat their home AND have a meal (Cooked or otherwise). Prescriptions were free. Homelessness wasn't anywhere's near the issue it is today. The unemployed weren't forced to work for their dole in a multinational company that pays tax rates of <1%. Bedroom tax wasn't around. Nor was VAT. People were invariably better off at the end of each & every parliament/government.

Poverty wasn't redefined to suit the current government's (And @Bruce Wayne 's definitions). It was more visible back then. These days if you so much own a Tv then you're not in poverty.

 

[orly]

You've got nothing to lose.

These are the words of a demagogue (promise not to use this term again). If you are poor or sick and the economy fails you become poorer. Look what's happening in the UK with the benefits cap (driven by dogma rather than finances) - poor people become poorer, homelessness rises, children become malnourished, life expectancy falls and life opportunities are reduced.

By all means we should have change but not change without knowing the plan beyond the change. There are no guarantees of course, but without knowing how you are going to fix the problems change itself does not solve anything and in all likelihood makes things worse.

And who are these people to trust with implementing the change? The architects of the problem? That makes absolute no sense whatsoever.

Traditional politics has failed. Politics guided and moulded by media has failed - the Sun et al. backs a winner, and if all signs had truly been pointing due Remain they'd have slobbered all over it like the lickspittles they are.

That famous clip of the comedian taking the piss out of Trump, while Obama cried with laughter, was an episode that played right into the hands of his campaign. I look at May making exactly the same mistakes with Johnson; he'll wait, and wait, and wait, and then shove her at just the right time.

The Constitution is supposed to protect the American people from the demagogue but what the political establishment succeeded in creating was Dynastic Politics, a chaebol for the Western World. Clinton wins last night and it would've been her vs Jeb Bush next time round. If he team hadn't meddled so successfully, they'd have had that choice this time round.

Again - Trump's election is the result of the failure of traditional politics, not just a rebellion of it. You talk about the results of the economy failing; it already did, in 2008. How can you get hungrier or poorer if you're already broke and starving? No, what the middle class social media whingers are worrying about now is the little piece of greed they've carved for themselves could be taken away. They didn't want to gamble, sure, because they were pissing from just enough height that they could avoid any blowback on their shoes.

People are desperate now. They might be still desperate in 18 months, 2 years, 4 years, I do not dispute that.

 

[Moomin]

Conor McGregor for President

 

[neil999]

clinton on course to win popular vote...interesting system

 

[orly]

Sorry mate, but I find this very complacent.

You have to fight fascism wherever you find it. A man has been elected President of the USA on the back of racial slurs, demonising immigrants, mocking disabled people, threatening his female opposition and openly boasting about sexual assaults. The social impact of this result on blacks, minorities and women will be huge.

People assume that progress is linear. Well it isn't, and this is a massive step in the wrong direction.

No - he hasn't.

More worryingly, a man who does these disgusting things being elected is the end result of what Clinton embodied - more of the same. He is the product of it.

Trump is going to be some very bitter medicine, but I dread to think what would have grown out of the ground to oppose Clinton after four years.

The real travesty here is this these two candidates were apparently the best the US could do in 2016.

 

[Dymak]

Yes, great news! America needs a strong hand to guide it through these difficult times!

 

[degsy]

That's right.

And the elderly could generally afford to heat their home AND have a meal (Cooked or otherwise). Prescriptions were free. Homelessness wasn't anywhere's near the issue it is today. The unemployed weren't forced to work for their dole in a multinational company that pays tax rates of <1%. Bedroom tax wasn't around. Nor was VAT. People were invariably better off at the end of each & every parliament/government.

Poverty wasn't redefined to suit the current government's (And @Bruce Wayne 's definitions). It was more visible back then. These days if you so much own a Tv then you're not in poverty.

very interesting tag in there to mr greed is good, you can't have too much consumerism.

 

[ilikecheese]

As expected the election was rigged.

 

[Prevenger17]

The real travesty here is this these two candidates were apparently the best the US could do in 2016.

The thing is, they weren't. The problem has been parties refusing to recognise the good candidates they had. The DNC practically canvassed for Hillary, and Ron Paul was done out of his chance at a nomination under equally spurious circumstances 4 years ago

 

[neil999]

No - he hasn't.

More worryingly, a man who does these disgusting things being elected is the end result of what Clinton embodied - more of the same. He is the product of it.

Trump is going to be some very bitter medicine, but I dread to think what would have grown out of the ground to oppose Clinton after four years.

The real travesty here is this these two candidates were apparently the best the US could do in 2016.

v interesting point, could have been some dangerous stuff from the gun lobby..they might actually relax for a bit

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

No, what the middle class social media whingers are worrying about now is the little piece of greed they've carved for themselves could be taken away.

Never a truer word.

The middle classes aren't remotely arsed about those below them as they see the top table within their reach, more within reach than what the lower classes have ever been to becoming middle class.

They think there's enough of a cushion if they take a hit. There isn't. And one day they'll learn because the poorest have already been bled white...

 

[Prevenger17]

Fifth: Assange, Comey and all others who spewed forth dreadful, biased information designed to devastate one candidate

Aye. How come there were no people or media outlets actively trying to devastate Trump's campaign?