Donald Trump for President Thread

[tsubaki]

Spare a thought for OIreland i currently have Brexit to the left of me, Trump to the right..........stuck in the middle..........!

"They have found the range, sir"

 

[The Cowboy]

That would be put down to the vagaries of the world economy.

Aye, like post Brexit, any positives are 'the true measure of Brexit won't be known for x months/years, this is not proof', whilst any negatives are 'you see? This is what you voted for, you idiots!'

 

[TheFinnFan]

Democracy is a wonderful thing

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Yes, the political establishment created the conditions to allow such demagogue to occur, but as with Brexit, to see this as some form of victory for the poor, the sick, the needy, the uneducated, the elderly, and others of need is pure fantasy.

Nobody said it was any sort of victory for them.

But it really ought to be a wake-up call to those in their bubble. If it becomes the catalyst for a change in direction and a recognition of who actually holds the power, then it's alright by me.

 

[Boss_Blue]

demagogy

Word of the day.

 

[orly]

It is the time of the demagogue.

Politicians have become both masters of, and servants of the media.

Trump chose the mastery of, rather than being the servant to, the media.

He created a product out of himself that appealed to popular desires and prejudices, rather than using rational argument and having detailed plans. It is exactly the same strategy as executed by Farage and the Leave campaign.

"You want change? I can give you change. Make America great again, big deals, great again"

If it was a political drama on TV it would have been entertaining, but these demagogues are playing with real lives, real businesses, real people - yet they don't have a bloody clue how to fix the problems they've used to gain power.

Yes, the political establishment created the conditions to allow such demagogue to occur, but as with Brexit, to see this as some form of victory for the poor, the sick, the needy, the uneducated, the elderly, and others of need is pure fantasy.

Which isn't what the majority of us are saying, I would suggest.

What we have got is the poor, sick, needy, uneducated, elderly AND disenfranchised centre-ground voters reaching out for what essentially is the American Dream; a big, last ditch gamble at the big time.

And if it fails, so what? If your life is crap, or you're going to a foodbank, or you've got a full-time job that still has you living in a trailer eking out an existence, do you really care if there is a forced reset from massive political failure? You've got nothing to lose.

Think of it this way. What we could currently have had is Ed Milliband / David Cameron as Prime Minister, Ed Balls / Osborne as Chancellor, Clinton as President and a guaranteed 4 years of the current mess. And these people believe (and have profited from) the current way of doing things to such an extent that when Deutsche / Commerz tanks over next year, they won't have the slightest clue what do about it because they've essentially been the barriers to significant change all their careers.

I hope he decides that he'll go with what made him successful in the first place; trade with absolutely anyone as the colour of their money is essentially all you are bothered about. The world - on both sides of the political divide - is clearly sick of Zac Goldsmith types who can't even hold a pint glass / bacon sandwich without looking like they've just come down off Mount Sinai after 10,000 years in isolation telling them about travelcards and food subsidies.

 

[Harryflashman]

Trump put Farage onto that platform not for what Brexit means as a policy decision, but to show his support base that polling and predictions could be defeated. Farage will be politely fobbed off when he turns up, unless he's paying for his own drinks. Do you think someone who swept to victory on the mantra 'Make America Great Again' will want to be seen taking direction from a Brit? No chance. Hopkins and Morgan are just trying to do what anyone does in a Company when there is major overhaul at managerial level or company culture; making a desperate play and hoping to be swept in by the updraft. Morgan is desperate. Hopkins schtick has virtually run out.

Oh I don't mean they'll get roles within the new regime , I actually wouldn't be completely shocked if he chose a few decent advisors . My point was the quality , or rather lack , of character of those so fervently celebrating his victory . Some may consider it illustrative .

Unrelated to the above but I do find it incredible and to a degree a fantastic performance to convince your country that despite being a billionaire born into money , a city trader or a landed mp that you're an outsider that represents the working man .

 

[orly]

Oh I don't mean they'll get roles within the new regime , I actually wouldn't be completely shocked if he chose a few decent advisors . My point was the quality , or rather lack , of character of those so fervently celebrating his victory . Some may consider it illustrative .

In these difficult years, America has suffered from a fever of words; from inflated rhetoric that promises more than it can deliver; from angry rhetoric that fans discontents into hatreds; from bombastic rhetoric that postures instead of persuading. We cannot learn from one another until we stop shouting at one another, until we speak quietly enough so that our words can be heard as well as our voices

Pity the original was just as dodgy lol

Again mate, Trump hasn't created the environment for Hopkins / Morgan and their filth to flourish - he's the ultimate result of it. People like Blair and Obama have pissed all over the faith people put in them for seismic change, and it's created this culture of hatred and desperate gambling for something new.

 

[degsy]

Oh sure, it's not quite the workhouse yet; we've never had it so good have we, Ebeneezer MacMillan?

That'll be 1957 then
yeah we had an outside bog and Bronco toilet paper but all those who wanted a job had one
yeah we had 39 to a class, but we left school able to read and write and nobody had heard of 'Remedial'
Half of the country was not obese
If you could have todays medicine it would be near utopia
Oh and you had the best 10 years ever coming up...before it all turned to shight

 

[Harryflashman]

Pity the original was just as dodgy lol

Again mate, Trump hasn't created the environment for Hopkins / Morgan and their filth to flourish - he's the ultimate result of it. People like Blair and Obama have pissed all over the faith people put in them for seismic change, and it's created this culture of hatred and desperate gambling for something new.

Again I don't really disagree , to be honest I'm financially comfortable enough and personally secure enough to say let the world burn but it's just not how I was brought up and I find it all a bit sad if I'm honest .

 

[orly]

Again I don't really disagree , to be honest I'm financially comfortable enough and personally secure enough to say let the world burn but it's just not how I was brought up and I find it all a bit sad if I'm honest .

Me too mate. Essentially, I might muck about a bit on here (particularly in Everton forum lol) but give everyone two minutes of your time and you'll get along sound. Can't be arsed with hating groups of people really.

 

[NorthernBlue]

Just discovered two of my wives friends have joined the tory party. Paid up members. Now these two are keeping up with jones' types but seemed on the surface pretty reliable northern girls. People are silently shifting right instead of left. Scary times.

 

[summerisle]

 

[The Esk]

And if it fails, so what? If your life is crap, or you're going to a foodbank, or you've got a full-time job that still has you living in a trailer eking out an existence, do you really care if there is a forced reset from massive political failure? You've got nothing to lose.

You've got nothing to lose.

These are the words of a demagogue (promise not to use this term again). If you are poor or sick and the economy fails you become poorer. Look what's happening in the UK with the benefits cap (driven by dogma rather than finances) - poor people become poorer, homelessness rises, children become malnourished, life expectancy falls and life opportunities are reduced.

By all means we should have change but not change without knowing the plan beyond the change. There are no guarantees of course, but without knowing how you are going to fix the problems change itself does not solve anything and in all likelihood makes things worse.

 

[Mountfield1985]

He seems a little bit more conciliatory now after he's won. Unsurprising I suppose.

His behaviour almost reminds me of a boxer. Diabolical trash talk and nastiness before the event but respect appears afterwards.

But as I've already said. It's not the end of the world. The dramatics in the media are tedious. Very little will change. It never does.
Nor would it have if Clinton had won.

Sorry mate, but I find this very complacent.

You have to fight fascism wherever you find it. A man has been elected President of the USA on the back of racial slurs, demonising immigrants, mocking disabled people, threatening his female opposition and openly boasting about sexual assaults. The social impact of this result on blacks, minorities and women will be huge.

People assume that progress is linear. Well it isn't, and this is a massive step in the wrong direction.

 

[ToffeeDoug]

I would take a world war in the coming weeks to deprive the RS of the title.