Donald Trump for President Thread

[kithnou]

MSNBC

lol


Melt

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Wait for the shock to subside and realisation to set it...

 

[Frank Gallagher]

as long as mcdonalds dont go bust im happy with america's electorate

 

[mezzrow]

the below top-rated Guardian comment tells us exactly why Trump won, aimed at mainstream liberal media and their echo chambers.

note: i was put on Guardian pre-mod for about 2 years for saying much the same things.


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"This could have ALL been avoided. How to stop Trump:

1. STOP, for the LOVE of GOD, STOP peddling identity politics. Trump voters - working class people - despise it. They know what you're doing - it's obvious.

2. STOP treating ethnicity, gender, sexuality and religion as a proxy for class warfare; you are trying to displace them by creating a new under-class and stoking ethnocentrism, gynocentrism and tribalism for the purpose of manufacturing a new electorate and a globalised, supranational governance that NO-ONE wants.

3. STOP speaking about groups, start speaking about individuals (you know, actual liberalism).

4. Stop polarising ALL debate. Just because you aren't rabidly pro-feminism, it doesn't make you a misogynist. Just because you aren't rabidly in favour of the EU, it doesn't make you a fascist. Just because you don't support black lives matter, it doesn't make you a white supremacist. Just because you don't support SSM, it doesn't make you a homophobe.

5. Stop pushing mass immigration for the purposes of creating a new electorate. They know what you're doing. Every minority group in the UK is opposed to mass immigration. Even Hispanics are opposed to mass immigration, and are more conservative - on a policy basis - and religious than white males.

6. Stop preaching cultural relativism; if you oppose something for one identity, oppose it for ALL identities. Murder doesn't suddenly become more acceptable because the perpetrator is Islamic; sexism doesn't become more acceptable because the perpetrator is female; racism doesn't become more acceptable because the hatred is being spewed at white men.

Get it? Until all of this STOPS, until we start to assign rights and responsibilities at the level of the individual and not the group, until all of the incessant shaming, self-loathing and guilt-tripping subsides, this will get infinitely worse."
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I didn't write that, but I could have. Can I like this again?

That is exactly to the point. Thanks for sharing.

 

[davek]

What we'll get here now is the accusation that 'the thickos' have just killed democracy, just like with Brexit.

See it for what it is: a boot in the bollocks of every person propping up a system that holds people down and beats them with blow after blow of an economic and ideological nature.

Take a look at the grids this morning of the talking heads of the MSM - it's their job to tell you lies whilst keeping a smile on their faces. Well they're not smiling now are they?

 

[tsubaki]

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Dave is spot on here

The Democrats should have gone for Sanders and chanced their arm

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

Thomas Frank - who to be fair has been more right than the rest of the Guardian hacks on this (though that isn't that hard) - hits the nail on the head, repeatedly:

Superb piece that.

 

[tsubaki]

Dave is spot on here

The Democrats should have gone for Sanders and chanced their arm

Mikey it wouldn't have been chancing their arm; he would have smashed Trump into a million bits.

 

[kithnou]

Mikey it wouldn't have been chancing their arm; he would have smashed Trump into a million bits.

This. Makes today so much sweeter.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

He isn't wrong, though - at least based on the experience we have had over here.

As an example, and since you mention academia, the people that HRC and her husband were mates with took our undergraduates from a position where they didn't pay tuition fees and got a grant (backed by small loans) to a position where they paid tuition fees and didn't get a grant (which had to be backed by large loans). The degree that I got into four grand of debt for would now cost my kid, if I had one, at least forty grand in debt and they would not find the opportunities I did after leaving, because they no longer exist.

The race to the bottom on living standards and life chances in the US will have a peer scrutinised body of academic work.

Cmon, I know we've had Trump and Farage just shoving stuff out there and expecting to be believed without any scrutiny, but on pretty much any metric you care to think of, life today in any western country is infinitely better than it's ever been before, and that's from OECD data.

I'd love to know this golden age that you speak of.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Mikey it wouldn't have been chancing their arm; he would have smashed Trump into a million bits.

I think Hilary was widely seen as the "safe" option, so going with Sanders was a gamble

I agree though, I think he would have won

 

[davek]

Great response from Corbyn.

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Great response from Corbyn.

best piece ive seen him come out with yet..

 

[Prevenger17]

Davek for mod

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Superb piece that.

Indeed