Current Affairs Dominic Cummings

[PhilM]

he isn't a member of the party, but he is a tory - the attitude, the wealth, the belief that he is genetically better than other people and the racist father-in-law give it away

Personally, I think it's a bit of sweeping statement and masks Cumming's real ideology although admittedly I can understand why people would like him with it.

He wants to change things from what he sees as the archaic, inefficient style of western governments and he sees the Conservative Party as the avenue to do this.

Does he really aligning with their views? It's questionable! In some ways, the attitude and wealth of many Tories is actually against what he believes.

From people who actually know him, he has a real deep-rooted issue with the concept of inherited power and superiority, which fuel our inefficient government.

Another example, he doesn't probably give two hoots about immigration, but he believes that large swathes of the public (and Torys) do, so he will use it.

Hence, why the quarantine is being brought in for people coming into the country due to COIVD-19. He probably knows it is a completely unnecessary initiative.

However, how many Daily Mail readers like on here will be rubbing their hands in glee. In the long term, he simply wants to model the world in his view.

 

[tsubaki]

Personally, I think it's a bit of sweeping statement and masks Cumming's real ideology although admittedly I can understand why people would like him with it.

He wants to change things from what he sees as the archaic, inefficient style of western governments and he sees the Conservative Party as the avenue to do this.

Does he really aligning with their views? It's questionable! In some ways, the attitude and wealth of many Tories is actually against what he believes.

From people who actually know him, he has a real deep-rooted issue with the concept of inherited power and superiority, which fuel our inefficient government.

Another example, he doesn't probably give two hoots about immigration, but he believes that large swathes of the public (and Torys) do, so he will use it.

Hence, why the quarantine is being brought in for people coming into the country due to COIVD-19. He probably knows it is a completely unnecessary initiative.

However, how many Daily Mail readers like on here will be rubbing their hands in glee. In the long term, he simply wants to model the world in his view.

I couldn't disagree more with this, especially the bit in bold.

For a start, saying he wants to change things from inefficient to efficient is pretty much the standard Tory line of the past forty years, and as we and the Budget have seen, its led to the government getting vastly more inefficient. In this he is like Hilton was under Cameron (another progressive pseudo-Tory who we were told was a genius, who came up with blue sky rubbish - only to end up on Fox News banging the Trump drum).

Just look at how the government have handled this response - via outsourcing (of testing sites, and the track and trace system); that isn't someone who is looking at radical solutions, just someone who is doing what they've done since 1979. Or look at his attempted recruitment of weirdos, misfits etc that somehow resulted in him recruiting someone like him. (edit) Or even the serial appointment of people associated with the Tories to the bodies responsible for dealing with this.

Secondly its really difficult to see how he can both have a real deep-rooted issue with the concept of inherited power and superiority and at the same time work for a PM who embodies those aspects more than any recent PM (including Cameron), be married to the daughter of a castle-owning Baronet and have gone through the usual public school - Oxford - politics route. His interest in eugenics comes from the same place as the interest amongst the ruling classes during the late 19th / early 20th century - as an explanation of why they were on top, one that didn't make them admit what they were doing to other people in order to stay there.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

For some reason this oldie popped up in my YouTube feed this morning



Distorting the NHS logo to make it look like they endorse Vote Leave messaging. If only we had clues that he's a duplicitous piece of [Poor language removed] in the past?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Until Steve White, the acting Police Commissioner within Labour controlled Durham Council, asked the Police to investigate no Police time had been expended. The ‘second trip’ is what pushed everyone over the edge......

I'm surprised after all of the debates we've had in the EU thread over the years Pete, that you're bending over backwards to defend an unelected official over whom you have absolutely no control, even when his actions blatantly undermine the work of the officials you do have a tiny slither of control over. If you were consistent then you'd find that a bit off, but you seem to bend your principles entirely depending on whether what's being done is something you agree with or not.

 

[tsubaki]

For some reason this oldie popped up in my YouTube feed this morning



Distorting the NHS logo to make it look like they endorse Vote Leave messaging. If only we had clues that he's a duplicitous piece of [Poor language removed] in the past?

Andrew Tyrie was another Tory MP it was possible to respect (at least a bit)

 

[Bruce Wayne]

SAGE ‘made the rules up’. Cummings broke the spirit if not the law of those rules and has not been found guilty of lying....people should just be honest and say they can’t stand the guy, or Boris, or Brexit, or whatever and stop all this theatrical, holier than thou, virtue signalling.....

He's been found guilty of lying quite a few times hasn't he? Off the top of my head, his wife lied in her account of their experience of covid in the Spectator, he lied when he said he'd written and warned about coronavirus a year ago, he lied about taking the trip to the castle to test his eyesight. He's not being tried in a court of law because obeying the guidance around this virus and the measures we are being advised to take is generally not a legal matter (we haven't gone the French route, for instance), but rather in the court of public opinion, as has clearly done things that the NHS themselves told us we shouldn't do, and the police themselves told them had they intercepted him would have instructed him to go home. I didn't think it was 'that' hard to get

 

[ramacca]

Cummings not only flouted the guidance but broke the regulations as well. Durham police didn't enforced the law when they knew Cummings arrived in Durham. Johnson is doing all in his power to protect Cummings as he's up to his neck in his shenanigans. Interesting that Johnson didn't tell Raab where Cummings was when Raab 'took over'. Nothing like communications to get on top of things.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Andrew Tyrie was another Tory MP it was possible to respect (at least a bit)

Indeed. I know Pete is one for actual laws, but the way the NHS logo is placed on that leaflet seems a fairly straightforward case of passing off to me, which would go alongside the actual convictions the Vote Leave campaign had, and their shameful use of Cambridge Analytica. Despite all of that, Pete believes he's a straight up kinda guy.

 

[tsubaki]

He's been found guilty of lying quite a few times hasn't he? Off the top of my head, his wife lied in her account of their experience of covid in the Spectator, he lied when he said he'd written and warned about coronavirus a year ago, he lied about taking the trip to the castle to test his eyesight. He's not being tried in a court of law because obeying the guidance around this virus and the measures we are being advised to take is generally not a legal matter (we haven't gone the French route, for instance), but rather in the court of public opinion, as has clearly done things that the NHS themselves told us we shouldn't do, and the police themselves told them had they intercepted him would have instructed him to go home. I didn't think it was 'that' hard to get

the interesting one is who told Kuenssberg information she gave out in her first tweet on the subject

 

[Jebus_lives]

The Durham Police were pushed into investigating Cummings because of accusations including this falsified one. Police time has been wasted, so either prosecute the guy that made up the story or the journalist who ran with it. Either way it was a lie that was published nationally, which many on here then quoted as if it were the absolute truth, resulting in a police investigation. And now, because the investigation didn’t give the left the answer it wanted, the Police Chief is to be investigated. A witch hunt, based on a lie, lapped up by those who wanted to believe it, has wasted Police time and effort, and they should be prosecuted.....

He may have just been mistaken.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

the interesting one is who told Kuenssberg information she gave out in her first tweet on the subject

Sadly she seems about as credible as Russia Today.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Indeed. I know Pete is one for actual laws, but the way the NHS logo is placed on that leaflet seems a fairly straightforward case of passing off to me, which would go alongside the actual convictions the Vote Leave campaign had, and their shameful use of Cambridge Analytica. Despite all of that, Pete believes he's a straight up kinda guy.

I'm not so sure about that.

 

[Jebus_lives]

the interesting one is who told Kuenssberg information she gave out in her first tweet on the subject

Spoiler: Spoiler

it was Dominic Cummings

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I'm not so sure about that.

Certain laws. Ones drafted in this country, that let him do as he pleases. He's keen on those laws

 

[Jebus_lives]

Certain laws. Ones drafted in this country, that let him do as he pleases. He's keen on those laws

Quite. The rule of law I'm not so sure about.