Current Affairs Dominic Cummings

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Sadly she seems about as credible as Russia Today.

Well yes - and even she might get into difficulties if, say, her source told her one thing on Friday and then went on national TV on Monday to say something that completely opposed what they'd told her without that ever being acknowledged.
 
Well yes - and even she might get into difficulties if, say, her source told her one thing on Friday and then went on national TV on Monday to say something that completely opposed what they'd told her without that ever being acknowledged.

There's a place for unnamed sources, especially when that source veers significantly from the status quo and anonymity is required to prevent any repercussions for whistleblowing. When unnamed sources simply toe the party line, it sadly renders you a propagandist.
 
I'm surprised after all of the debates we've had in the EU thread over the years Pete, that you're bending over backwards to defend an unelected official over whom you have absolutely no control, even when his actions blatantly undermine the work of the officials you do have a tiny slither of control over. If you were consistent then you'd find that a bit off, but you seem to bend your principles entirely depending on whether what's being done is something you agree with or not.

What can I say, lockdown fever. Actually I’ve just been out in the car having an eyesight test. I just find this whole episode to be a stupid waste of time, by government, police and media......I think I’ve been consistent, I have stated that if he has broken the law then he should be punished. If he left government tomorrow I wouldn’t give a damn. For me he would even fail the ‘would you have a drink with him’ test. For me it’s a non event, but it has occupied the outpourings of us all for over a week. Perhaps that’s the genius of the man.....
 
I couldn't disagree more with this, especially the bit in bold.

For a start, saying he wants to change things from inefficient to efficient is pretty much the standard Tory line of the past forty years, and as we and the Budget have seen, its led to the government getting vastly more inefficient. In this he is like Hilton was under Cameron (another progressive pseudo-Tory who we were told was a genius, who came up with blue sky rubbish - only to end up on Fox News banging the Trump drum).

Just look at how the government have handled this response - via outsourcing (of testing sites, and the track and trace system); that isn't someone who is looking at radical solutions, just someone who is doing what they've done since 1979. Or look at his attempted recruitment of weirdos, misfits etc that somehow resulted in him recruiting someone like him. (edit) Or even the serial appointment of people associated with the Tories to the bodies responsible for dealing with this.

Secondly its really difficult to see how he can both have a real deep-rooted issue with the concept of inherited power and superiority and at the same time work for a PM who embodies those aspects more than any recent PM (including Cameron), be married to the daughter of a castle-owning Baronet and have gone through the usual public school - Oxford - politics route. His interest in eugenics comes from the same place as the interest amongst the ruling classes during the late 19th / early 20th century - as an explanation of why they were on top, one that didn't make them admit what they were doing to other people in order to stay there.
The best way to describe his ideology is 'creative-deconstruction' or continuous revolution (Joseph Schumpeter), which is not really akin to what you imply.

He's certainly not a high-Tory (Toryism within Conservatism) because they tend to be God (High Church Anglicanism) King, and Country. He's none!

Alas, to discredit this view because of the schooling he was provided in his youth*, supported by his parents, is itself a blunt and pretty-single minded argument?

He's wealthy, but again that doesn't make him Conservative or a Tory and nor does heritage and privilege: Tony Benn was a Vicount. It's a genetic fallacy.

Is he a Tory in a loose term of non-Conservatism? Again, I don't think he is: you can be conservative (little C) in nature, but not a Conservative (big C).

If I was to nail it down: he's a Euro sceptic, on the right but not a conservative because what is he trying to conserve? He wrong an essay called...

"Some Thoughts on Education and Political Priorities". Have you read it? If you have, he mentions about him wanting society being meritocratic through education.

With the latter part, it is ultimately a means to an ends: for him, the Conservative party is the best vehicle to head towards his goal rather than other parties.

He worked for Gove at the DfE yet to say they even had an amicable relationship with him would be laughable: in the end, he became the puppeteer.

In fact, there was always snippets public disdain for the "elitist" Gove and what he and much of the party stood for. His partnership with BJ follows a similar pattern.

As it was put to me (which I'll happily share by DM), he's a cuckoo in the nest, and understands that he can manipulate the views of others to support his own.

There won't be the widespread changes that may he would like or you're alluding to because again he would lose the support of the party that he still needs.

Anyway, I'm not implying I like the man or his views, but by implying that he is something because he works with someone/something isn't really correct is it?

*Durham isn't a public school by the way - it was an independent.
 
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Cummings is typical the upper class arrogance, quick to formulate policy and direct others while himself willfully ignoring and chooses do what to do whatever because of the belief he is special and different.
 
Cummings is typical the upper class arrogance, quick to formulate policy and direct others while himself willfully ignoring and chooses do what to do whatever because of the belief he is special and different.
I agree with this part, but again this is based on his view of meritocracy rather than a belief that his heritage and social class. He is a clever man and he knows it.

He may not know that he's a bit of a tit, but most people don't realise that.
 
I agree with this part, but again this is based on his view of meritocracy rather than a belief that his heritage and social class. He is a clever man and he knows it.

Well from where I'm standing on the left, the man is a genius, not in my wildest hope would one single event could do so much damage to credibility and trust to a Tory Government, this lot echo Major government, back to basics...
 
Well from where I'm standing on the left, the man is a genius, not in my wildest hope would one single event could do so much damage to credibility and trust to a Tory Government, this lot echo Major government, back to basics...
"We do not have a problem with ‘too much cynicism’ - we have a problem with too much trust in people and institutions that are not fit to control so much."
 
"We do not have a problem with ‘too much cynicism’ - we have a problem with too much trust in people and institutions that are not fit to control so much."

Not buying this was a carefully psychological crafted cunning plan, it's helped bomb his tracing app, utter failure on take up on that bit of land off the Solent, forget its name.
 
The best way to describe his ideology is 'creative-deconstruction' or continuous revolution (Joseph Schumpeter), which is not really akin to what you imply.

He's certainly not a high-Tory (Toryism within Conservatism) because they tend to be God (High Church Anglicanism) King, and Country. He's none!

Alas, to discredit this view because of the schooling he was provided in his youth*, supported by his parents, is itself a blunt and pretty-single minded argument?

He's wealthy, but again that doesn't make him Conservative or a Tory and nor does heritage and privilege: Tony Benn was a Vicount. It's a genetic fallacy.

Is he a Tory in a loose term of non-Conservatism? Again, I don't think he is: you can be conservative (little C) in nature, but not a Conservative (big C).

If I was to nail it down: he's a Euro sceptic, on the right but not a conservative because what is he trying to conserve? He wrong an essay called...

"Some Thoughts on Education and Political Priorities". Have you read it? If you have, he mentions about him wanting society being meritocratic through education.

With the latter part, it is ultimately a means to an ends: for him, the Conservative party is the best vehicle to head towards his goal rather than other parties.

He worked for Gove at the DfE yet to say they even had an amicable relationship with him would be laughable: in the end, he became the puppeteer.

In fact, there was always snippets public disdain for the "elitist" Gove and what he and much of the party stood for. His partnership with BJ follows a similar pattern.

As it was put to me (which I'll happily share by DM), he's a cuckoo in the nest, and understands that he can manipulate the views of others to support his own.

There won't be the widespread changes that may he would like or you're alluding to because again he would lose the support of the party that he still needs.

Anyway, I'm not implying I like the man or his views, but by implying that he is something because he works with someone/something isn't really correct is it?

*Durham isn't a public school by the way - it was an independent.

That’s certainly what he claimed he is, but my point is that there’s really no evidence beyond his blog posts that he is that.

You mention his time with Gove, but look at what that did - monetise (via Free Schools and building on Labours shameful Academies) education, ramp up fees and debt. This emphatically didn’t led to a meritocracy - in fact the talented poor were probably the people who lost out most from this policy, who end up being the people most likely to have to pay the debt off.

My point about his background is relevant because it demonstrates how unlikely it is that he is genuinely going to do what he claims - is it really plausible to think that he’s going to dismantle the system that put him there and which provides his work now? I don’t blame him for coming from there (or for marrying who he did), but to me the idea that he’d wreck that is laughable.
 
I assume @peteblue is referring to the Mail article that is purposefully making it seem like the story was made up when that’s not the case. He’s either not read the story or not been able to parse it properly.

The truth will out in the end, or more like the lies to protect Johnson and Cummings will be exposed. Ah well, all's well at the Mail with it's usual twisting and turning.


Three, Cole and his pals are flat-out lying with his claim of lockdown breach. Here’s what the article says: “A retired teacher who reported Dominic Cummings to the police for allegedly breaking lockdown rules has admitted driving 250 miles to collect his daughter … Robin Lees drove from his home in Barnard Castle, County Durham, to pick up his student daughter, Elizabeth, who had been self-isolating at her boyfriend’s home in Ascot, Berkshire, after returning from an extended study trip to Canada”. There is more.

The Mail on Sunday can reveal that just days before speaking to the police, Mr Lees broke lockdown regulations himself by making a 526-mile round-trip to collect his daughter”. Straight accusation of breaching lockdown. But, as Pippa Crerar of the Mirror has pointed out, this isn’t true, and she quotes Government guidance.

... and he had a homework fail (again)

If a student is opting to change their primary residence for the purpose of the emergency period to live back at their family home, this is permitted”. The MoS was lying. Worse, the paper has clearly undertaken an aggressive and bullying act of doorstepping on Robin Lees, for which he should be contacting lawyers"
 
Taken a beating trying to defend Tories? Then drop a Diane Abbot meme.

Not surprised really. But there again he does advocate 'hanging' this man 'by the testicles'.


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