2025/26 David Moyes

[davek]

That almost reads like you acknowledging we are missing key players and it's having an impact.

We are. However, it's the sign of a good coach who makes light of that to get results.

He cant...because he's not adaptable in terms of tactics, formations and personnel.


The feller's a dinosaur. I think everyone pro and con Moyes accepts that as a given.

 

[davek]

Because he didn't say that you massive fibber.

He said he was aiming for the signings to play over 50% of the matches in order to deem them a success and that typically only 30% of all signings across the league achieve that figure.

He said success, not just to play a % of games to be deemed so.

Unreal spinning.

 

[davek]

It just needs to be slightly better for the plan to continue. Moyes isn't here to be successful. He's here to get as many results possible with a squad clearly in transition. There is a 3 year plan the owners are working on which at the end of it we will be competing in Europe under a new manager.

The plan is spend what we did last summer each of the next 2 with youngsters like Dibling and Aznou. Loans will be provided to pad out the squad as required. I've heard the owners will not deviate from this plan even if we were to qualify for Europe this season. Moyes can aim for it all he wants as a personal goal but we would compete in it with what we have unless it was CL which would be the only reason for the owners to deviate.

Moyes is here to stabilize the club only so at the end of the day he may as well target the cups as regardless of league position he wont be here to see these youngsters flourish.

We are working towards 2028 and anything positive that happens before then will be a bonus. Buying a bit of success now would not be sustainable in the long run. The few people I spoke to about this plan recently are very excited about it.

I dont buy any of that.

Where is the evidence of this three year plan they've set for Moyes and the lack of immediate demands for him to hit targets on Europe - and the spending plan?

It wouldn't take a hell of an improvement to get a low hanging euro place as it'll probably go down to 7th or 8th.

If he doesn't get top ten his feet wouldn't touch with any ownership group that handed him £110M for players some of which he wont even play.

What you've just sketched out is a painfully slow evolution that just doesn't fit anyone's requirements.

 

[HappyJack]

I think the main issue is this. Does anyone really believe that giving Moyes 200m in the summer will get us into europe? I dont. Weve had him twice and you get the occassional 1 in 4 performance, thats what he is.

 

[Gilbert..]

There's a reason they are more stable James - they are able to sell their best players season-after-season, change managers regularly yet still perform, whereas we lose a few players to injury and capitulate. The reason they are 'stable' is because they 100% back their model which typically has a well-respected Director of Football who initiates and manages the long term plan irrespective of the manager or players they have and seemingly with a much lower spend than others. Their recruitment model's are incredibly good - they have the ability to identify emerging talent before it becomes excessively priced, which they then nurture for a season or two before selling at very high profit margins - and they have the foresight to have their replacements identified and signed prior to it. They hire progressive managers, and allow/encourage those manager's to regularly play new players irrespective of age and with zero experience of the Premier League.

Admittedly, there appears less pressure on them than there is at Everton, but could you honestly imagine us hiring Iraola, Andrews or Hurzoeler before they hit this league like these three clubs have, or committing to putting faith in their data-based approach to finding gems like Caecedo, Mitzuma, Thiago, MBuemo, Wissa, Semenyo etc?

If the model is flawed, or you don't have a model then how do you get sustainable improvement? Our model has appeared to be hire a 'tried and trusted' old school manager ( Moyes, Allardyce, Benitez, Scotch Egg) as we've panicked after having a good one leave (Carlo) or be sacked (Silva...and possibly Lampard).

I think that's why "the bedsheets come out" more often at Everton.

Good post. agree with a lot of that. Though these clubs are not always picking up these players for peanuts. Brentford and Bournemouths two forwards cost more than Evertons. It is therefore surprising that people still expect to beat these teams with ease. Based on what? That we have won 9 titles.
The gap has closed and narrowed. It isnt just Everton. These teams can and do turn anyone in this league over.
Moyes isnt the long term solution clearly. But i'd be wary right now replacing him until we have recruited better. We saw first hand yest that when we open up and attack we're vunerable. Now replace the current manager with someine who thinks keane and tarkowski can play a high line in most away games.
Its the first season in the new stadium. We didnt need another relegation fight. And we havent got one. But a lot needs changing.

 

[davek]

I think the main issue is this. Does anyone really believe that giving Moyes 200m in the summer will get us into europe? I dont. Weve had him twice and you get the occassional 1 in 4 performance, thats what he is.

To be fair to Moyes - in the past as a much younger man and when our circumstances were vasty different he's scaled those heights with less money.

But I dont think he's up to the expectation levels here now.

This club and its new stadium and owners tower over him and I don't think he can get us where we need to be. If he got us top ten this season he obviously stays to get a chance at securing europe the following season.

But I think he's a man constantly looking for excuses and that tells me that he doesn't fancy shouldering that burden of expectancy.

 

[davek]

I have no doubt that it had no impact whatsoever on what happened on the pitch but I suggest that it needs sorting and shouldn't happen again.

Well it doesn't look great, but it's a minor detail for me.

 

[davek]

And it is better than the last 5 seasons. Most other clubs have spent more than us, £110m is not a lot from a starting base of 14 first team players at the beginning of the summer.

£110M plus a load of massive wages for Grealish is a pretty penny outside the elite club spending.

Can anyone say right now for sure that the cash was particularly well spent outside of Grealish and KDH?

 

[GrandOldTeam]

@davek too many posts - temp reply ban for monopolising.

Less frequency, and multi quote please. Threads need to breathe. It's a bit like being on a panel and just one person shouting constantly.

 

[14_dollars]

£110M plus a load of massive wages for Grealish is a pretty penny outside the elite club spending.

Can anyone say right now for sure that the cash was particularly well spent outside of Grealish and KDH?

Outside of Grealish and KDH, it was the worst transfer window in the club’s history.

 

[Rudolf Hucker]

Just another Mike Basset dinosaur on the merry go round.

 

[nonstripdzebra]

Good post. agree with a lot of that. Though these clubs are not always picking up these players for peanuts. Brentford and Bournemouths two forwards cost more than Evertons. It is therefore surprising that people still expect to beat these teams with ease. Based on what? That we have won 9 titles.
The gap has closed and narrowed. It isnt just Everton. These teams can and do turn anyone in this league over.
Moyes isnt the long term solution clearly. But i'd be wary right now replacing him until we have recruited better. We saw first hand yest that when we open up and attack we're vunerable. Now replace the current manager with someine who thinks keane and tarkowski can play a high line in most away games.
Its the first season in the new stadium. We didnt need another relegation fight. And we havent got one. But a lot needs changing.

I dont disagree. Full stop Bournemouth and Brentford are better run clubs. They rationalize their position and opportunity far better than most. But I do think us failing comparatively to present similar value propositions is partially on Moyes himself. Listen he has given us such a huge welcomed stability and maybe thats all we can expect. But I think he leaves some to be desired in regards to how he perceives recruitment and data analysis. Transfers rumors are dangerous to go by but we seem to constantly be linked to more finished articles than under the radar talents. The same cannot be said about the Cherries and the Bees.

If thats all to simply assure ourselves again as a middle table club, I get it. If done fairly cleanly that creates more attractive option in transfers, sponsors eventually managers that all lead to more assets to reinvest and hopefully more success. That I can live with at present. But if the club ever wants to elevate itself out of that position its going to have to be done by moving in the market with far more eyes to sell on viability and value than its moving i'd argue at present.

 

[Evertonthat]

Moyes was very much a "steady the ship" appointment, but I think its fair to say that, while not the modern progressive manager many wanted, he's done a good job with the squad of players we have. You only have to take a look at West Ham since Moyes left to see how easily it can go wrong (and their squad is stronger than ours). Yes, Bournemouth and Brighton have decent "systems", and it would be great if we could develop players with the regularity that they seem to, but for now, Moyes is a decent fit for us. The progressive "systems" would take time to develop and perfect, so who's to say that this isnt the plan we are building towards? I'm sure when the time comes, the direction of who's going to take us forward will be a considered and well planned choice. I'd certainly put more trust in the powers that be to make the choice then the previous regime anyhow.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Time to dry off the sheets!

 

[Username.]

I did not want to knee jerk it yesterday but on reflection what the hell were them 2 substitutes, possible they worst I've witnessed.