2025/26 David Moyes

[JobForTheMoyes]

I guess a more important stat would be how games have been changed by subs, rather than solely by goals from them. Have we gone on to win games we were drawing, have we got draws from losing positions (and vice versa)?

The stats for these things might also be poor but goals scored alone doesn’t really tell you much, especially when both strikers are failing to score regardless of game circumstance.

Needing to make subs to win games also means you’ve got your starting lineup incorrect. It’s one of those stats people look at without considering the broader implications.

 

[windymiller]

Needing to make subs to win games also means you’ve got your starting lineup incorrect. It’s one of those stats people look at without considering the broader implications.

Are you suggesting that Moyes has never got his starting lineup wrong? A sign of an elite manager is realising that they have made a mistake and successfully rectifying it by changing the outcome of a game through changing tactics or personnel. Moyes' biggest problem is that he never acknowledges when he's got things wrong. It's a bit like your biggest problem, except, weirdly, you can't accept that Moyes isn't infallible.

 

[Swartzy]

Needing to make subs to win games also means you’ve got your starting lineup incorrect. It’s one of those stats people look at without considering the broader implications.

Sorry but i cant agree with that, maybe because it's been so long since we've had a bench that can replicate our first 11, it might seem that way.
But the use of subs "In the whole" has no bearing on you picking the right/wrong line-up..

Just a simple injection of life back in your team can be made from a sub, whether they have a hand in a goal or not.

A substitution is just another tactic, you just have to play it correctly.
But if your bench doesn't remotely match the quality of your line-up, it can be like Russian roulette for a manager.

Though, they get paid well enough to pull that trigger.

You have 14 chances of having the best team at the right moment on the pitch..
That's how a manager should look at it..

 

[Curtis]

Are you suggesting that Moyes has never got his starting lineup wrong? A sign of an elite manager is realising that they have made a mistake and successfully rectifying it by changing the outcome of a game through changing tactics or personnel. Moyes' biggest problem is that he never acknowledges when he's got things wrong. It's a bit like your biggest problem, except, weirdly, you can't accept that Moyes isn't infallible.

Also I think you can have a properly selected lineup and still need to make suitable subs to manage the game and ensure that the player's on the pitch performances aren't in vain as various factors start to affect the game

 

[Curtis]

Since Moyes' reluctance towards making specific and timely subs is being discussed, I do recall the one time his rigidity benefited him when we played Iraola. Iraola likes to make early subs especially when things are a stalemate but he kept holding off as he wanted Moyes to make the first sub and then respond to his change , that didn't happen as Moyes opted to hold off on making a sub until the 80th minute so iraola was forced into showing his hand first lol

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Since Moyes' reluctance towards making specific and timely subs is being discussed, I do recall the one time his rigidity benefited him when we played Iraola. Iraola likes to make early subs especially when things are a stalemate but he kept holding off as he wanted Moyes to make the first sub and then respond to his change , that didn't happen as Moyes opted to hold off on making a sub until the 80th minute so iraola was forced into showing his hand first lol

The tortoise reeling in the hare!

 

[Timbucktoo]

Since Moyes' reluctance towards making specific and timely subs is being discussed, I do recall the one time his rigidity benefited him when we played Iraola. Iraola likes to make early subs especially when things are a stalemate but he kept holding off as he wanted Moyes to make the first sub and then respond to his change , that didn't happen as Moyes opted to hold off on making a sub until the 80th minute so iraola was forced into showing his hand first lol

Moyes wasn`t holding off on making a sub till the 80th minute, that`s an early sub in his book.

 

[GoldenToffee]

Today's subs:
Beto for Barry, 64 minutes
Dibling for McNeil, 83 minutes
Röhl for Alcaraz, 89 minutes

 

[jazzy]

Today's subs:
Beto for Barry, 64 minutes
Dibling for McNeil, 83 minutes
Röhl for Alcaraz, 89 minutes

I think Rohl might get 5 minutes more , perhaps a double sub with Dibling when we are 3-0 down.

 

[formerly manx toffee]

Haha nice post. Got me thinking, if I had to name a player who sums up Moyes as a manager, who would it be? Probably Phil Neville, a close second would be Tony Hibbert. A solid professional, not quite good enough & boring to watch.

I liked Neville. NEA.

 

[royvernon39]

I asked Elon how many deadbeat centreforwards has DM signed as a League manager and he reckoned 4-6: Beattie, Jo, Scamacca, Danny Ing,Haller.
I agree with Elon in that it is far too early to add Barry but...

 

[Moomin]

I asked Elon how many deadbeat centreforwards has DM signed as a League manager and he reckoned 4-6: Beattie, Jo, Scamacca, Danny Ing,Haller.
I agree with Elon in that it is far too early to add Barry but...

Was he high on Ket again?

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

Probably the thought that this squad should be doing better than it is.

Is Moyes safety first approach holding us back?

Haa Moyes managed to change a game to our advantage? We're one of only 3 teams yet to have a goal scored by a substitute.

We don’t have a very strong squad so that’s not unsurprising.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

I guess a more important stat would be how games have been changed by subs, rather than solely by goals from them. Have we gone on to win games we were drawing, have we got draws from losing positions (and vice versa)?

The stats for these things might also be poor but goals scored alone doesn’t really tell you much, especially when both strikers are failing to score regardless of game circumstance.

Bringing on subs to help see off a game is also important. The Villa and West H games are the only ones I can think where a sub may have changed things but we don’t really have the options.

 

[MikeH72]

Needing to make subs to win games also means you’ve got your starting lineup incorrect. It’s one of those stats people look at without considering the broader implications.

I’m sorry but it doesn’t mean that at all. It’s not 1993 anymore, we are allowed to make 5 subs which is half an outfield XI. If you aren’t utilising subs as part of your game plan then you’re going to get left behind.

I have no doubt we’d be using subs more if we’d assembled a proper squad in the summer.