2025/26 David Moyes

[hallamblue]

This is correct really. I think its fair to say he was the right manager to come in halfway through last season, stabilise the club and be a safe pair of hands during this initial period of transition who you know at least won't be a disaster. Don't have any problem with that appointment at that time.

I think it's pretty impossible to argue he's the right man for the future of taking this club to the next level, though. For the reasons you say about recruitment and also just his ceiling as a manager. That's not really a dig at him, I don't think people appreciate how hard it is to be a competent premier league manager over a nearly 25 year period - there's a reason there's hardly anyone else in that category. But is he an Iraola/Glasner/Pochettino/Klopp type who can kick a club up to a whole new level? Fairly clearly not.

So the question then becomes when do Angus and co feel the time is right for the change? My hope is they're already hard at work drawing up a shortlist in time for an amicable changing of the guard at the end of the season. Planned succession so the new manager has the whole summer to bed in. It would work so much better than waiting til Moyes 'has' to be sacked, bringing in whoever's available and starting that cycle all over again.

The answer is when one of the managers they do want becomes available. I think we'd need someone like Klopp when he joined the rs, someone with a track record abroad looking for a new challenge in the Premier League. We are nowhere near being able to appoint an Iraola who is all about pace, we need a manager who can lead the club through evolution rather than revolution.

 

[blueboy72]

If you played our current young players I don't think you'd like the results. If we can get Branthwaite back in the New Year and buy or loan 2 attacking full backs and a decent number 9 who can hold the ball up there's a chance we could move our style of play forward. Until then we're very much back to how we were under Ancelotti, having to sit fairly deep and not over commit and hope to nick a goal or two. I just hope Wolves and West Ham don't improve, because if they do things are going to get interesting for about 8 teams, and we are one of them.

I’m not saying play all the youngsters, but Moyes is stuck in his ways, he’s scared to over commit, but what he’s doing ain’t working and he’s not really changing much. West Ham were running us ragged down our right hand side and he did nothing, it’s like watching you house on fire and you don’t call the fire service. We all knew it was a matter of time till west ham scored.

Then he brings on Alcaraz at halftime who changed the game v palace and then plays him next game v city on the wing, where he’s never played well. He probably wouldnt have started if Grealish was available. Then Moyes brought on 2 defensive players and talked about goal difference

And then v spurs Alcaraz again on the bench and ended up with 5 mins, he also never gave dibbling minutes in a game we were loosing. How
Many have said play garner right back or even left back, drop gana or KDH back into midfield, start Rhol etc

He has options but seems extremely reluctant to change anything. Wiol
Anyone be surprised if it’s the same 11 v Sunderland, maybe Barry starts over Beto. But I can’t see him doing anything different,
Anytime soon

 

[Bryan+]

1 win in 7 is it?

 

[Neiler]

Didn’t you regularly stick up for dyche ?
My apologies if it wasn’t you, but I think it was

I’m not turning on him after defeats, I didn’t want him back full stop
What we’re seeing now wont go away, he’s getting schooled by younger managers, same players, same tactics, same subs. It’s boring

And his press conferences, he Thinks we play well every week. Gets questioned about his subs. “ pep doesn’t make a lot of subs” questioned about set pieces “ all
Managers are working on set pieces” I couldn’t care less about Pep or the other manangers. I only care about Everton and he’s one of the highest paid managers in the league. I’d be amazed if he gets another contract, personally I think he will be gone next summer

I sure did mate and was correct to do so and happily stick by everything I've ever said on Dyche, no problem there, pages of stuff on here if anyone would like to check my reasoning.

If people didn't want him back initially thats fair enough, i see these people as just wanting change and are bored by the 4-2-3-1 we've been playing for prob what 25 years now. There is variance out there and projects you can commit to, it comes off sometimes with your Iriolas and Galssners and other times it doesnt - as we see with the Churn at other club - which thankfully we have halted. Often these projects are shot term pain for long term gain - which is perhaps were we are right now id argue.

My stance or frustration on changing the manger is a macro view of the club and a short sighted reaction based on current results, The summer was sobering from my point of view in recruitment. I dont think we were attractive, i think a lot of out top targets and prob the next two or three on the list turned us down. Reputationally we are still in the bin - despite what we all think with our blue tinted specs on internally. So logically the job of work ahead in the next couple of years is recovering the club - that the goal in my opinion.

We've invested in this recovery as i said yesterday by over 100 mill on development players- the manager has a job to develop these players over the next 12 months and make them assets for Everton - Moyes 1.0 made this club 100s of million in recruiting and developing players - its not acknowledged enough. Results in a way dont matter once we tip along and recover and have a base to incrementally go again next summer - its a multi summer operation in my opinion. I get that people had different expectations, i myself think we should be tilting for Europe as our highest aim and top 10 as a minimum this season.

So why do i back Moyes - simple put - hes the dude that has already brought us from relegation dogs every year to top four, CL qualification and cup finals. Hes done the job before - i lived through it - so why wouldn't i trust him. People will say "young managers" etc - like you have - but he recovered WHU as a football club just a couple of years ago and brought them their first trophy in decades. Look where they ar enow without him.

You can stress yourself out with the micro stuff, week to week and sure that stuff can be annoying - but with the scale of recovery and transtion we are going through there will be a measure of boom and bust we will go through, its the macro picture that matters most and the dude has proven he has the skillset for it - its that simple.


Where are the young mangers who are beating him every week since hes returned hes beaten the below "young managers" or rather trendy:

Ange
Hurezler*2
Van Nistelroy
Glassner * 2
Nuno
Howe
Silva


The idea of binning the manager after two defeats and even more is just a repat of the dysfunctional cycle we had under Moshiri.

 

[murphy89]

He’s not interested in giving youngsters time, he’s not interested in playing them either, if he’s here next summer, he again will only be interested in 27/28/29 yr olds,

I just don’t think this true at all. I see similarities in how he managed new players in his first time with us.

The likes of Baines, Jags, Coleman, for example, didn’t just walk into the first team. He managed them like he is with the likes of Rohl, Dibling and even Aznou. He won’t just throw them out and risk points but by the second half of the season, you’ll be seeing much more them and he will have confidence they have adapted to his way of playing.

Now, some might say this a bit conservative. I don’t disagree. But this is still a side that has flirted with relegation in recent years so I expect caution.

 

[WilliamBoo]

I sure did mate and was correct to do so and happily stick by everything I've ever said on Dyche, no problem there, pages of stuff on here if anyone would like to check my reasoning.

If people didn't want him back initially thats fair enough, i see these people as just wanting change and are bored by the 4-2-3-1 we've been playing for prob what 25 years now. There is variance out there and projects you can commit to, it comes off sometimes with your Iriolas and Galssners and other times it doesnt - as we see with the Churn at other club - which thankfully we have halted. Often these projects are shot term pain for long term gain - which is perhaps were we are right now id argue.

My stance or frustration on changing the manger is a macro view of the club and a short sighted reaction based on current results, The summer was sobering from my point of view in recruitment. I dont think we were attractive, i think a lot of out top targets and prob the next two or three on the list turned us down. Reputationally we are still in the bin - despite what we all think with our blue tinted specs on internally. So logically the job of work ahead in the next couple of years is recovering the club - that the goal in my opinion.

We've invested in this recovery as i said yesterday by over 100 mill on development players- the manager has a job to develop these players over the next 12 months and make them assets for Everton - Moyes 1.0 made this club 100s of million in recruiting and developing players - its not acknowledged enough. Results in a way dont matter once we tip along and recover and have a base to incrementally go again next summer - its a multi summer operation in my opinion. I get that people had different expectations, i myself think we should be tilting for Europe as our highest aim and top 10 as a minimum this season.

So why do i back Moyes - simple put - hes the dude that has already brought us from relegation dogs every year to top four, CL qualification and cup finals. Hes done the job before - i lived through it - so why wouldn't i trust him. People will say "young managers" etc - like you have - but he recovered WHU as a football club just a couple of years ago and brought them their first trophy in decades. Look where they ar enow without him.

You can stress yourself out with the micro stuff, week to week and sure that stuff can be annoying - but with the scale of recovery and transtion we are going through there will be a measure of boom and bust we will go through, its the macro picture that matters most and the dude has proven he has the skillset for it - its that simple.


Where are the young mangers who are beating him every week since hes returned hes beaten the below "young managers" or rather trendy:

Ange
Hurezler*2
Van Nistelroy
Glassner * 2
Nuno
Howe
Silva


The idea of binning the manager after two defeats and even more is just a repat of the dysfunctional cycle we had under Moshiri.

I'm not asking or expecting him to be fired. I'm just asking him to react. Is that too much to ask?

 

[Neiler]

I'm not asking or expecting him to be fired. I'm just asking him to react. Is that too much to ask?

Entirely reasonable mate - as have i and there is a good discussion on it yesterday in how he may do that.

 

[Drico]

Oh I think we should appoint a much more progressive manager in the summer and sign some players that actually fit into the modern way of playing..

But right now that isn’t happening.,

Yeah, this is where, I think, many people are. I know I am. I never wanted Moyes back because he is Continuity Bill Kenwright. He represents another era at the club - a really poor one of deliberate managed decline that he polished into something plucky and, even, respectable. That's a credit to Moyes. I would be considered a critic of Moyes on here - and I am - but I am the first to recognise his competence and the really excellent job he did last season. And it was excellent - even as I despaired at his return. But I see myself as a fair-minded person. Sean Dyche gets a lot of credit from me too for the survival jobs he did in two seasons of incredible agony for this club. But that kind of Red Adair stuff is unsustainable as we found out with Dyche last season and as we are about to find out with Moyes.

For me, I hope to see him see out the season and copper-fasten the mid-table stability that he was tasked with providing after his rescue act. But he has to go in the summer. I suspect he knows he is going in the summer - but the club HAS to have its succession plan in place now and ready to go with the moment comes.

We need a manger who can destroy the old culture of the club - the Bill Kenwright culture that still suffuses the place in the shape of Moyes, the knives to a gunfight mentality, Tony Bellew's media appearances, David Prentice in the PR department, the fetishisation of "stability" while genuflecting to the magnificence of *checks notes* Sunderland, and the plucky underdogism that, frankly, is outrageous coming from one of the five most successful clubs in the history of English football.

In essence, let Moyes do his thing until May, results permitting. But let's finally open the new chapter of the club's playing history - one year after our physical relocation to the Dock.

 

[Zatara]

I just don’t think this true at all. I see similarities in how he managed new players in his first time with us.

The likes of Baines, Jags, Coleman, for example, didn’t just walk into the first team. He managed them like he is with the likes of Rohl, Dibling and even Aznou. He won’t just throw them out and risk points but by the second half of the season, you’ll be seeing much more them and he will have confidence they have adapted to his way of playing.

Now, some might say this a bit conservative. I don’t disagree. But this is still a side that has flirted with relegation in recent years so I expect caution.

The issue with this of course is that players ahead of the new signings arent performing.

It could make sense to have a change. Results point to this as well as performances.

With Ndiaye & Gana at AFCON I expect the same formation, other 9 players and tactics with Dibling and Rohl brought in.

 

[blueboy72]

I sure did mate and was correct to do so and happily stick by everything I've ever said on Dyche, no problem there, pages of stuff on here if anyone would like to check my reasoning.

If people didn't want him back initially thats fair enough, i see these people as just wanting change and are bored by the 4-2-3-1 we've been playing for prob what 25 years now. There is variance out there and projects you can commit to, it comes off sometimes with your Iriolas and Galssners and other times it doesnt - as we see with the Churn at other club - which thankfully we have halted. Often these projects are shot term pain for long term gain - which is perhaps were we are right now id argue.

My stance or frustration on changing the manger is a macro view of the club and a short sighted reaction based on current results, The summer was sobering from my point of view in recruitment. I dont think we were attractive, i think a lot of out top targets and prob the next two or three on the list turned us down. Reputationally we are still in the bin - despite what we all think with our blue tinted specs on internally. So logically the job of work ahead in the next couple of years is recovering the club - that the goal in my opinion.

We've invested in this recovery as i said yesterday by over 100 mill on development players- the manager has a job to develop these players over the next 12 months and make them assets for Everton - Moyes 1.0 made this club 100s of million in recruiting and developing players - its not acknowledged enough. Results in a way dont matter once we tip along and recover and have a base to incrementally go again next summer - its a multi summer operation in my opinion. I get that people had different expectations, i myself think we should be tilting for Europe as our highest aim and top 10 as a minimum this season.

So why do i back Moyes - simple put - hes the dude that has already brought us from relegation dogs every year to top four, CL qualification and cup finals. Hes done the job before - i lived through it - so why wouldn't i trust him. People will say "young managers" etc - like you have - but he recovered WHU as a football club just a couple of years ago and brought them their first trophy in decades. Look where they ar enow without him.

You can stress yourself out with the micro stuff, week to week and sure that stuff can be annoying - but with the scale of recovery and transtion we are going through there will be a measure of boom and bust we will go through, its the macro picture that matters most and the dude has proven he has the skillset for it - its that simple.


Where are the young mangers who are beating him every week since hes returned hes beaten the below "young managers" or rather trendy:

Ange
Hurezler*2
Van Nistelroy
Glassner * 2
Nuno
Howe
Silva


The idea of binning the manager after two defeats and even more is just a repat of the dysfunctional cycle we had under Moshiri.

It’s not 2 defeats, it’s a number
Of poor performances. And points dropped.

A few things you mention, West Ham finished 14tg the season they won that cup, which is not the most difficult to win, so maybe the rot had already set it.

Also you mention his cup finals at Everton “1” CL qualifications also “1”
In 22 domestic cup chances in 11 yrs 1 final and 2 semi finals.
Blackburn, Middlesbrough, Swansea, Birmingham, Portsmouth, Wigan all won trophies in that time. In 5 or 6 goes in Europe last 16 was his best return
In that time, Middlesbrough, Fulham,
Rangers and Celtic got to finals.
People go on about that night v Fiorentina. Like it was some special night, Moyes lost us that game in the fist leg they were bang average, who Rangers beat in the next round.

20yrs ago you basically had 4 teams spending money, the year we got 4th Middlesbrough and Bolton were in the mix With us. We finished 3 points ahead of Bolton and 6 points ahead of Middlesbrough. It was a completely different time.
Now teams coming up from the championship spend 150mil every team can buy a 40mil player.

The game imo has past Moyes by and he’s a had been and needs removing next summer.

 

[blueboy72]

I just don’t think this true at all. I see similarities in how he managed new players in his first time with us.

The likes of Baines, Jags, Coleman, for example, didn’t just walk into the first team. He managed them like he is with the likes of Rohl, Dibling and even Aznou. He won’t just throw them out and risk points but by the second half of the season, you’ll be seeing much more them and he will have confidence they have adapted to his way of playing.

Now, some might say this a bit conservative. I don’t disagree. But this is still a side that has flirted with relegation in recent years so I expect caution.

You can spin it which way you want, he didn’t start Rooney every week, even though he was our best player and never gave a barkely a look in. Who flourished straight away under Martinez

Also jags played 34 games out of 38 in
His first season and Baines 22, who
I’m sure also got injured. Coleman is totally different as he was a novice.
Alcaraz has experience of the premier league, dibbling had a full season with Southampton , Rhol has played over 100 games in the German league

I’m not saying throw all the youngsters in, im
Saying that what he’s doing ain’t working and he seem reluctant or not good enough to change it

 

[blue to the bone]

AI is surely writing some of these replies. Good grief.
Its like reading Ulysses!

 

[Yankfootball1]

Well they are definitely concerns I have, yes. No idea if there’s a manager out there realistically that could actually unite this fanbase. It’s very possibly too far gone, with the battle lines already drawn and sides already picked. What I do know, is that keeping Moyes forever isn’t going to resolve it.

A manager could definitely unite the fan base. There will always be a few vocal contrarians. But you think there is any division at Bournemouth, Palace, or Sunderland? If they can find a quality manager we should be able to also. I am not in favor of just cutting Moyes loose. I want him to finish the season and then have a contract ready for someone like Glastner or an up an coming manager - Who that is, I don't know, that is what a leadership team is supposed to do.

 

[Curtis]

Obviously losing Gana and Ndiaye for AFCON will be unfortunate but I think it will have positive influence as it will force it him to address the issues with the starting lineup and I think gana plays a role in the midfield being unbalanced. Gana is not a defensive holding midfielder he's a terrier that is lacking on the ball. But I think a rohle and kdh or kdb/garner partnership could work.

 

[NathDogg]

I don’t see a massive outcry to change the manager yet, a few more defeats, in particular in the next two matches and the feeling could quickly change.

However, I do see a big want and need on here and from speaking to mates/other ST holders, that our manager has to change.

He has options, he’s not using them, end of.