2025/26 David Moyes

[The Penalty Box Dancer]

I just don’t see how the stability argument works as, if a lot expect, we carry this poor form into next season and he is dismissed in October/November.

This is where we see what kind of board we have and whether they act or allow it to play out until end of contract.

 

[PhilM]

I don't think even it works in context of his contract, given the end to the season amd the lack of faith in the summer signings.

We give him this season and funds in the summer, but unless there is a up tick in form and league position (which will be difficult) then he's likely gone and we have a squad built in his image.

But why would you give him money based on last summer? Another failed transfer window and we bank serious problems for the season after and presumably a new manager.

If there is someone available this summer, we have to be bold in that move.

This isn't a defence of Moyes or the administration behind it, but rather a mitigation: last year, the transfer committee/process was delayed.

Back room appointments came in late from other positions, so it was not as smooth or efficient as it should have been. I hope this year is different!*

We need to be bringing in players earlier and those in positions where we actually need to improve, and the players will fit into the starting XI.

However, the caveat to that is, Moyes has shown that he is stubborn enough to not players he believes do not fit into his system or narrative.

So, there needs to be frank discussions behind the scenes because if we're going to buy players and Moyes won't play them, then it won't work.

If he is the issue, then we need to resovle that.

*Well, it needs to be.

 

[Rooney_Tunes]

This isn't a defence of Moyes or the administration behind it, but rather a mitigation: last year, the transfer committee/process was delayed.

Back room appointments came in late from other positions, so it was not as smooth or efficient as it should have been. I hope this year is different!*

We need to be bringing in players earlier and those in positions where we actually need to improve, and the players will fit into the starting XI.

However, the caveat to that is, Moyes has shown that he is stubborn enough to not players he believes do not fit into his system or narrative.

So, there needs to be frank discussions behind the scenes because if we're going to buy players and Moyes won't play them, then it won't work.

If he is the issue, then we need to resovle that.

*Well, it needs to be.

He has shown that he won't bend so sack him and get the project on track.

 

[Ferguson1878]

Worth a listen

Sounds like the firiekins are happy enough going off what paddy Borland’s saying

 

[PhilM]

He has shown that he won't bend so sack him and get the project on track.

That was what I was round about saying. There is no point in bringing highly rated backroom staff in, who the club believe will support with signings, if...

... Moyes doesn't align with this or simply refuses to play them. Dibling is a prime example: why did we sign him if we weren't going to play him?

 

[orchard]

This isn't a defence of Moyes or the administration behind it, but rather a mitigation: last year, the transfer committee/process was delayed.

Back room appointments came in late from other positions, so it was not as smooth or efficient as it should have been. I hope this year is different!*

We need to be bringing in players earlier and those in positions where we actually need to improve, and the players will fit into the starting XI.

However, the caveat to that is, Moyes has shown that he is stubborn enough to not players he believes do not fit into his system or narrative.

So, there needs to be frank discussions behind the scenes because if we're going to buy players and Moyes won't play them, then it won't work.

If he is the issue, then we need to resovle that.

*Well, it needs to be.

Moyes' choice/instigation, no? Probably his picks too at first glance.

 

[Jebus_lives]

This isn't a defence of Moyes or the administration behind it, but rather a mitigation: last year, the transfer committee/process was delayed.

Back room appointments came in late from other positions, so it was not as smooth or efficient as it should have been. I hope this year is different!*

We need to be bringing in players earlier and those in positions where we actually need to improve, and the players will fit into the starting XI.

However, the caveat to that is, Moyes has shown that he is stubborn enough to not players he believes do not fit into his system or narrative.

So, there needs to be frank discussions behind the scenes because if we're going to buy players and Moyes won't play them, then it won't work.

If he is the issue, then we need to resovle that.

*Well, it needs to be.

I feels messy. There are too many variables for it to be a coherent strategy.

Yes there is mitigation for a number of things - squad rebuild last summer, timing of senior leadership recruitment, stadium finalisation but we also recruited poorly (based on return) and had poor squad management across the year.

I think you're spot on BTW.

 

[PhilM]

Moyes' choice/instigation, no? Probably his picks too at first glance.

This is part of it. The signings looked rushed and the process inefficient, which is why I hope it's different this year with a much longer period.

The issue is whether we get our targets with the dismal finish and whether they play.

 

[Tom Hughes]

But you don’t just throw 8/9 players in who’ve sat on the bench for the first month of the season, what a surprise that didn’t work, it’s braindead thinking from an outdated manager

Except it wasn't 8 or 9 players. It was 5 out field players. Including 2 who played several times the previous season and Seamus for a cameo...... playing against the worst team in the league, who also rotated a lot. The point was about players not getting a go, and/or some not getting a chance even on merit. I've got a crap memory, but went to nearly every game home and away and can't remember any performances of significant merit that went unrewarded. Thought Alcarez possibly deserved more time (when fit) and some others have stood-in and been ok on occasion, but little more than that really. Of course, some of the players in question are still only young, so that could change..... but I don't think I saw much to suggest that there were lots of obvious alternatives languishing on the bench..... the first team generally picked itself with the 2 misfit forwards rotating every game to at least try to exercise the opposition's backline.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Except it wasn't 8 or 9 players. It was 5 out field players. Including 2 who played several times the previous season and Seamus for a cameo...... playing against the worst team in the league, who also rotated a lot. The point was about players not getting a go, and/or some not getting a chance even on merit. I've got a crap memory, but went to nearly every game home and away and can't remember any performances of significant merit that went unrewarded. Thought Alcarez possibly deserved more time (when fit) and some others have stood-in and been ok on occasion, but little more than that really. Of course, some of the players in question are still only young, so that could change..... but I don't think I saw much to suggest that there were lots of obvious alternatives languishing on the bench.

Conversely, how many individual performances that were poor, had any consequence?

 

[Tom Hughes]

That's a bad faith argument. He was criticised for putting out what was quite clearly a second string team, not for freshening things up with a couple of changes. There's a huge difference between the two and failing to acknowledge that is either a total lack of understanding of the game or a deliberate misrepresentation of what happened, you can decide for yourself which one applies to you.

The point being implied was that we had a decent second string that had shown "merit" and were not being utilised. We were playing the worst team in the league who also made several changes.... and the performance/result largely disproved that point.

 

[NathDogg]

P

The prize money is what should really irk the owners etc. such a waste.

Plus the chance to sign better players who want to play in Europe, it was a golden opportunity to kick on and we threw it away.

Sunderland have blown the whole “Davie Bores stability” argument clean out the water with their last summer transfers and this season under a progressive coach.

Moyes will keep us under his self imposed glass ceiling, and forever believe the plucky Everton schtick that kenwrong peddled for years.

 

[Tin-Tin]

 

[Lanolin]

The point being implied was that we had a decent second string that had shown "merit" and were not being utilised. We were playing the worst team in the league who also made several changes.... and the performance/result disproved that point.

Like I said, if you can't understand the difference between one or two players coming in to a generally settled side to freshen it up and making wholesale changes including playing your second choice keeper and a a 37 year old right back at left back then that's very much on you.

 

[BigDuncTributeBand]

I want to enjoy watching Everton, look forward to a match. Who can honestly say they’ve enjoyed watching us this season?

If we’d finished the same position but Moyes was trying to implement a style of football that got us on the front foot, had been developing younger players and it was all going somewhere, I wouldn’t be wanting him binned off.

He’s not though. All he has to offer is more turgid, percentage, defensive performances. Cautious pragmatism. We’re at the bottom of every attacking and chance creation metric.

He’ll spend huge wages this summer on overpriced experienced premier league players. Play the same boring football, just with more quality so we edge the moments in tight games.

He could get us higher in the league with better players, of course. I’m just not in the least bit excited about watching it.