hallamblue
Player Valuation: £50m
I suppose the only hope is that deep down he realises he cocked it up and goes back to a front foot based attitude. He'd never say he got it wrong but surely he must know that he didn't use the squad properly.
Tom Hughes
Player Valuation: £20m
I'm not sure I'd readily see a fruitful future with any manager with the same inherited squad of 15 months ago, and the subsequent levels of team investment.... and particularly if judged over just 1 summer window tbh. I'm also not sure why a contract extension would be a priority issue at this point, for admirer or hater, there is still a year to run. That said, 6 wks ago, I think the majority would've been in favour of an extension if the polls on here were to be believed.
The binman chronicles
Player Valuation: £80m
We had a core of half decent players that at some point had all been first teamers and done okay, Moyes still refuses to make the subs at the appropriate time when our opponents completely refresh theirs. You cannot ask ours to compete for 100 mins when who they are playing against get shifts of around 50 mins.
It's no wonder we conceded so many late goals this season. If the people he sub on cannot play the same game that's a coaching issue.
It's no wonder we conceded so many late goals this season. If the people he sub on cannot play the same game that's a coaching issue.
smileychap
Player Valuation: £15m
Brilliant post, I'd no idea he spanked £400m at Hammers.
Get this busted flush out of EFC. V1 Moyes did a good job at EFC in very different times.
He has nothing to offer clubs seeking more than survival and West Ham might question the cost at which that was sustained.
LeeCarsley
Player Valuation: £8m
Sunderland had this clown in charge and he relegated them. Since then they've been down to league one, been a laughing stock of football, managed to get back and they've now achieved Europe. What has Everton done in that period? Nothing. A team was relegated twice and they've come back and managed to get Europe before we could in that same period. And we've hired Moyes because he won the Europa League Cup and conceded 76 goals with West Ham in a single season
He’s hardly ever been a front foot mananger, who knows what happened last season, players feeling refreshed with dyche gone and new voice. Moyes ain’t changing 18 months into the job
Let’s have it right had he given Aznou 7 or 8 starts, Dibling 12, rhol 15, O’Brien 20 games at CB and 2nf half of the season ,10 stats for Armstrong and George, would we be worse off??
JLW
Player Valuation: £70m
We signed about 8 players in the summer??? Everyone is looking at the team he picks as if that is the only options, its not. There are many variable teams we can put out withing the squad he has, he chooses not too.
You cant be spending big sums of money this summer for a manager who has no future here? You either fire him now or give him a new contract and back him this summer, what we are about to do is the worst thing possible, its insane what we are about to do.
If we are going to bring in this summer Moyes type of players then the next manager should be a Moyes type of manager for it to work, who actually wants the next manager to be like Moyes/Dyche?
Its dangerous and this could set us back for years, in what should be a new era and a new start.
LeeCarsley
Player Valuation: £8m
He has the most archaic backwards view of player development in the league. Almost every single person in football worth their salt knows young players learn more with playtime as their mind and body learn how to react to actual scenarios they would experience in game, but not our Davey, it's best for players to rot on the bench behind absolute boring charlatans who've been bang average to terrible for 4-10 years. Why would any young player come here for any reason other than we'd make them a millionaire? How can we prove we'll develop them better than Bournemouth, Brentford or Brighton?
Tom Hughes
Player Valuation: £20m
Rewarding what merit? Who do you think really impressed but was left out?
He obviously did something right because he raised expectation by getting the most out of his squad for most of the season and getting to the point that some believed they should've got a European spot. He did this despite having to play with a toothless attack, a one paced, aging defence, missing a RB and its best CB and losing Grealish halfway through. Most players got a chance at some point and generally didn't impress.... he was even hammered for playing some of them at Wolves in the league cup.
LeeCarsley
Player Valuation: £8m
The toothless attack and missing a RB are because of Moyes! He built the team! He choose to buy a winger who "generally didn't impress" in fact he paid the 2nd highest amount in our history for that winger, money he could have spent on a right back or a left back. Moyes only has himself to blame for this season. Raising expectations was something he also did in every press conference! You couldn't talk to Moyes for five minutes without him bringing up Europe! And then after he bottles it to a team who finished 4th in the championship last season, he has the gall to tell the media he can't understand why fans would be frustrated with the club! It's never his fault, it's the fans for having ambition, it's the players he signs for not being good enough, it's the board for not giving him unlimited money, but never Davey's fault.
I have no interest in protecting a Moyes. I've said multiple times I never wanted him back, I have tolerated him on a short term deal, I have voiced that he should only get the minimum contract, I've been vocal about his stubbornness and marginalisation of younger players, his lack of ambition and our poor end to the season.
I think you've waded in on a discussion then constructed a narrative based on that.
You brought up stats as a measure for judgement, I told you I don't read them but asked you about Diblings stats and you've gone on a rant about Moyes.
According the Fbref - I just looked based on your recommendation - his P+A-pk was 0.10 over 33 games for Southampton in 24/25 and it was 0.00 this season. A Google search tells me that is poor.
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Tipp blue
If I agreed with you, we’d both be wrong.
We were 3 points behind 4th when we beat Chelsea.. Criminal end to the season. Moyes out this evening.
Who was managing the team then? Moyes out, get him in.
I mean it's been said a lot, but people preferred to repeat "he got sacked cuz he didn't play fancy footie" - he didn't get sacked at all, spent a lot of money, played the same way. Even they're realising they were close to relegation with him, and they were getting spanked 4-5:0 several times in his last season - they barely finished on 40 points, and were right next to us for a long period of time, as we had our worst season ever, only saving themselves by the virtue of all of us being quite crap and him managing a surprise win vs United, considering they were probably banking on the Leeds game in the last round(s). The European trophy obviously papers over those cracks a lot, but it doesn't fix any of them, and he's still the same underneath.
So yeah, based on the above, he didn't get a new contract, but the headpatters come out of the woodworks to say "oooh look at them now, careful what you wish for!!!!!!!1", as if it isn't down to Moyes himself too in huge parts - spending a bunch of money badly or with no returns, being stuck in his old ways and getting only players he likes for the non-tangibles, with no upside for the future, weakens them considerably going forward due to PSR, and now they're getting relegated and have to sell at a loss (likely).
