2025/26 David Moyes

Still livid about Sunderland being below us with 2 games to go when we played them at home and them finishing 7th in the Europa League and us finishing 13th and losing about 15 million in prize money and being 1 place different than last season. His attitude in that final post match was absolutely disgraceful. I think he will be gone in a few days no matter how quiet it seems at the moment. There is no coming back from that imo.
 
Still livid about Sunderland being below us with 2 games to go when we played them at home and them finishing 7th in the Europa League and us finishing 13th and losing about 15 million in prize money and being 1 place different than last season. His attitude in that final post match was absolutely disgraceful. I think he will be gone in a few days no matter how quiet it seems at the moment. There is no coming back from that imo.
Wasn't any better for the Sland post-match: "well yeah what can you do about it?" or whatever he said. Ridiculous.
 
I just don’t see how the stability argument works as, if a lot expect, we carry this poor form into next season and he is dismissed in October/November.
I don't see it for another reason - stability shouldn't mean mediocrity and being happy with 14th, the idea is to have a platform to build. We're not providing that currently, and seeing as he's here for the summer, we'll likely get Bowen, Soucek, Ivan Toney, just to keep the nothingness going - no one comes in and does well with turd players, and we're 100% recruiting a lot of them and persisting with not playing younger players.
 
Rewarding what merit? Who do you think really impressed but was left out?

He obviously did something right because he raised expectation by getting the most out of his squad for most of the season and getting to the point that some believed they should've got a European spot. He did this despite having to play with a toothless attack, a one paced, aging defence, missing a RB and its best CB and losing Grealish halfway through. Most players got a chance at some point and generally didn't impress.... he was even hammered for playing some of them at Wolves in the league cup.
But you don’t just throw 8/9 players in who’ve sat on the bench for the first month of the season, what a surprise that didn’t work, it’s braindead thinking from an outdated manager
 
Rewarding what merit? Who do you think really impressed but was left out?

He obviously did something right because he raised expectation by getting the most out of his squad for most of the season and getting to the point that some believed they should've got a European spot. He did this despite having to play with a toothless attack, a one paced, aging defence, missing a RB and its best CB and losing Grealish halfway through. Most players got a chance at some point and generally didn't impress.... he was even hammered for playing some of them at Wolves in the league cup.
That's a bad faith argument. He was criticised for putting out what was quite clearly a second string team, not for freshening things up with a couple of changes. There's a huge difference between the two and failing to acknowledge that is either a total lack of understanding of the game or a deliberate misrepresentation of what happened, you can decide for yourself which one applies to you.
 
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I just don’t see how the stability argument works as, if a lot expect, we carry this poor form into next season and he is dismissed in October/November.
I don't think even it works in context of his contract, given the end to the season amd the lack of faith in the summer signings.

We give him this season and funds in the summer, but unless there is a up tick in form and league position (which will be difficult) then he's likely gone and we have a squad built in his image.

But why would you give him money based on last summer? Another failed transfer window and we bank serious problems for the season after and presumably a new manager.

If there is someone available this summer, we have to be bold in that move.
 
I mean it's been said a lot, but people preferred to repeat "he got sacked cuz he didn't play fancy footie" - he didn't get sacked at all, spent a lot of money, played the same way. Even they're realising they were close to relegation with him, and they were getting spanked 4-5:0 several times in his last season - they barely finished on 40 points, and were right next to us for a long period of time, as we had our worst season ever, only saving themselves by the virtue of all of us being quite crap and him managing a surprise win vs United, considering they were probably banking on the Leeds game in the last round(s). The European trophy obviously papers over those cracks a lot, but it doesn't fix any of them, and he's still the same underneath.

So yeah, based on the above, he didn't get a new contract, but the headpatters come out of the woodworks to say "oooh look at them now, careful what you wish for!!!!!!!1", as if it isn't down to Moyes himself too in huge parts - spending a bunch of money badly or with no returns, being stuck in his old ways and getting only players he likes for the non-tangibles, with no upside for the future, weakens them considerably going forward due to PSR, and now they're getting relegated and have to sell at a loss (likely).
Yes I listened to a pod yesterday 2 of the guys on there drive me insane with their praise for Moyes one even said, he bought well at West Ham 😂 and had success. Like you said his last season 4 points above Dyche’s Everton, left them with the oldest squad in the league and a minus 15 goal difference. But apparently it was all the DOF and Lopatequie’s fault
 
The toothless attack and missing a RB are because of Moyes! He built the team! He choose to buy a winger who "generally didn't impress" in fact he paid the 2nd highest amount in our history for that winger, money he could have spent on a right back or a left back. Moyes only has himself to blame for this season. Raising expectations was something he also did in every press conference! You couldn't talk to Moyes for five minutes without him bringing up Europe! And then after he bottles it to a team who finished 4th in the championship last season, he has the gall to tell the media he can't understand why fans would be frustrated with the club! It's never his fault, it's the fans for having ambition, it's the players he signs for not being good enough, it's the board for not giving him unlimited money, but never Davey's fault.

How many managers have built a great side from the type of dysfunctional, unbalanced mess he inherited, in just one summer window? We needed new players for all over the pitch, not just RB. Then those required players have to be available, affordable and willing to come in a very competitive market.... especially where 14 other teams had more to spend and mostly had higher value squads already. We got rid of quite a lot of the deadwood and spent just enough to tread water, with mostly bargain basement to mid-level acquisitions and loans. It is always a gamble shopping at that end of the market and largely living off scraps. I think Grealish added something tbh, and if he'd not got injured, possibly would've helped see us over that raised expectation line. Similarly if Branthwaite had managed more games. Wafer thin squad in quality terms.
 
Still livid about Sunderland being below us with 2 games to go when we played them at home and them finishing 7th in the Europa League and us finishing 13th and losing about 15 million in prize money and being 1 place different than last season. His attitude in that final post match was absolutely disgraceful. I think he will be gone in a few days no matter how quiet it seems at the moment. There is no coming back from that imo.
The prize money is what should really irk the owners etc. such a waste.
 

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