2025/26 David Moyes

[JLW]

Yeah, but Benitez was managing a much richer team with a bigger budget. It’s comparing apples with oranges.

What about the 4 times in Europe in 11 years bit? Moyes fans going on about what he done 'before' its hardly historical is it and certainly not worthy and giving him the reigns in a new era.

 

[Huyton Layne]

3 points off that lot before the derby, and now they're stumbling into the CL and we're hoping to not finish 14th.
Mentality monster.

 

[Toffeepot]

A sarccy reply to the post saying

Them teams are on the up

They are on the up though

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Hahaha what?! Little input on transfers at Sunderland?!

Gibson. Anichebe. Pienaar. Even likes of McNair, Love and Januzaj who he knew from Man Utd. Just a coincidence?

They also had a record transfer that summer. A decade in the Prem an before a ball was kicked he declared it would be a miracle if he kept them up.

You remind me of that Statto/Sigurdsson fella on Twitter.

He had say in January, but most of their summer signings had already been lined up. He arrived quite late in the window after Big Sam left for England.

The reason he made cheap signings like Pienaar and Anichebe was to try and get a bit more quality and influence. If you actually look at what went on, he didn’t even have his own coaching staff.

I’m not suggesting Sunderland was anything but a disaster, but you have to actually look at how things went down there.

 

[matty1878]

3 points off that lot before the derby, and now they're stumbling into the CL and we're hoping to not finish 14th.
Mentality monster.

It's a bit of everything

 

[barneygumble]

Sunderland is unique as he had little input on transfers. They would sign an inferior player in a purportedly higher cost as they had very low wages and the payment terms were more favorable. Martin Short had pulled the plug and was selling the team.

The other teams are fairer criticism. But West Ham should also be contextualised for fairness. He spent several seasons with a low net spend and then they had their big spend season where they got Paqueta, etc, but the signings were not really that successful overall. At the end of the day though, they build a good squad that achieved high finishes and won a trophy. That’s pretty much as good as they can expect.

How well he did there is underlined by their subsequent underperformance despite actually spending more money.

17/18: 13th and let go
19/20: 16th (joined midway)
20/21: 6th
21/22: 7th
22/23: 14th
23/24: 9th

He spent a fortune, he should have done more.

I dont like a narrative of "best they could do"... Look at Bournemouth, who may now make CL.

Fair does, there is lots of knowledge, but feels selective. Moyes hand picked Ndong, then dropped him because the midfield needed more "Britishness", so not sure the Sunderland critique is fair.

 

[Rob17896]

Yeah, but Benitez was managing a much richer team with a bigger budget. It’s comparing apples with oranges.

It still is. Apples with mouldy, wrinkled oranges.

 

[matty1878]

They are on the up though

Ok mate we need time

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

What about the 4 times in Europe in 11 years bit? Moyes fans going on about what he done 'before' its hardly historical is it and certainly not worthy and giving him the reigns in a new era.

He did a very good job overall here first time round. We were utterly potless, which has to be taken into account!

 

[Toffeepot]

Arsenal have became a dour side that depends on set pieces. It’s very much a Moyes/Mourinho type approach.

Arsenal just won the league and are in the CL final xG of 27 for the season
Mourinho was a serial winner that put defence first
We've shipped 16 goals in 6
Spot the difference

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Arsenal just won the league and are in the CL final xG of 27 for the season
Mourinho was a serial winner that put defence first
We've shipped 16 goals in 6
Spot the difference

I know - every style of play is ultimately limited by the quality of the players trying to put it into effect.

 

[blue to the bone]

It is ok to change your mind.
We all do it from time to time .

 

[GrandOldTeam]

He had say in January, but most of their summer signings had already been lined up. He arrived quite late in the window after Big Sam left for England.

The reason he made cheap signings like Pienaar and Anichebe was to try and get a bit more quality and influence. If you actually look at what went on, he didn’t even have his own coaching staff.

I’m not suggesting Sunderland was anything but a disaster, but you have to actually look at how things went down there.

"If you actually look at what went on"

They were my closest football team mate when he was there/he relegated them - so I was pretty close to it with local media, you was in another country.

Ask a Sunderland fan what they think of him. They'll tell you what went on.

 

[matty1878]

17/18: 13th and let go
19/20: 16th (joined midway)
20/21: 6th
21/22: 7th
22/23: 14th
23/24: 9th

He spent a fortune, he should have done more.

I dont like a narrative of "best they could do"... Look at Bournemouth, who may now make CL.

Fair does, there is lots of knowledge, but feels selective. Moyes hand picked Ndong, then dropped him because the midfield needed more "Britishness", so not sure the Sunderland critique is fair.

Who's n dong lol

 

[barneygumble]

He did a very good job overall here first time round. We were utterly potless, which has to be taken into account!

By the end, everyone was fed up.

Goodison had thousands of empty seats every game. It was dour. The dampening of expectations could only be handled so many times.

No one is disputing his effort in turning round the fortunes. But his spell bar 5 seasons was dour.

11 seasons. No trophies.