2025/26 David Moyes

[riddick]

I've listened the last few weeks and they're good.

One thing I picked up on was them saying we'd missed Gueye the last few weeks and that Iroegbunam hasn't quite done enough in that role. A lot of fans are disappointed we haven't given the squad players more time on the pitch, but how much would people be willing to give them if they aren't as good what they replaced? For example, if you benched Ndiaye and Dibling came in and looked really poor I can't see many people wanting to persist with that.

but that goes right to Moyes wanting "EXPERIENCED PLAYERS" in the summer. It's literally impossible to know how a younger player will react to anything in match without playing them IN THE MATCH. Sure, would you be happy with Dibling being cack? Of course not. But running a player into the ground then bringing on a player that had both feet out the door in January but got his arm caught in the door at the end, we KNOW he's not the answer. It's a damning indictment of how Moyes has used the squad this year. His in game management has, largely, been awful.

 

[dannyboy]

If so, why would you have faith in the man who signed off on them? I certainly don’t - nor Kinnear and his cronies.

I don't have faith in any of them after the last 6 weeks or so. It's difficult because I've gone from thinking Moyes is definitely the man to take the club forward next season to not being sure in a very short period of time. Worry is that people at the top of the club are thinking the same.

 

[preposterousvelios]

I've listened the last few weeks and they're good.

One thing I picked up on was them saying we'd missed Gueye the last few weeks and that Iroegbunam hasn't quite done enough in that role. A lot of fans are disappointed we haven't given the squad players more time on the pitch, but how much would people be willing to give them if they aren't as good what they replaced? For example, if you benched Ndiaye and Dibling came in and looked really poor I can't see many people wanting to persist with that.

I think that's the issue with Moyes not having used the squad earlier in the season really. Iroegbunam is one that played because of AFCON so you kind of know what you're getting from him in best case/worst case scenarios. Makes it easier to say that we miss Gueye when he can't play as Iroegbunam just not consistently reliable for us yet.

The rest of them though genuinely who knows. Becoming clear now that Rohl definitely should have played more throughout the season, would have just stuck him at right back myself. And when that's the case it raises the question of what about all the other players that have been riding the bench all year.

They speak a bit about this on that pod - what questions have been answered that we had start of the season? None really, people talk a lot on here but its all guesswork. No one really knows what would have happened if we gave Dibling a run of starts or if we let Aznou play at all or if we tried Alcaraz at 10 with KDH moving back.

We don't know any of this stuff because Moyes didn't try anything in the first half of the season when there was no pressure. His only idea was trying to have Grealish and Ndiaye do literally everything for us on the ball. And ultimately what that's meant is that when it's crunch time and what we're doing hasn't been working, he has no idea where to turn to because these players haven't been given a chance to show what they can do. On top of that you have the feeling of stagnation as a fan because we've obviously wasted a year of all of these lads careers and potentially damaged their development or alienated them from the club.

Moyes painted himself into a corner where he needed these kids to bail him out at the back end of the season where there's massive pressure on every game and they can't really afford to have a bad game.

 

[Melcher]

disingenuous.

Evanilson £40m

Because they've flogged some players to the rs and chelsea (iirc) that net spend has been massaged.

Come on, that's ridiculous.

They flogged players for a lot because they bought well and improved them, that's what we should be trying to do and it should be applauded.

And then when you manage to do it, you can go and spend £40 million on Evanilson and still have a £24 million net spend per season.

 

[preposterousvelios]

I think Paddy is well balanced. Matt is very highly emotional and comes across really nice which is no bad thing but he doesnt seem to have the ability to see 2 sides like fans do and veers into rants.

Agree Paddy is usually more subdued while Matt offers the point of view of a match going fan and the frustrations that come along with that.

The flipside though is that if Paddy is saying there are big problems, then there really are big problems.

 

[Mark barnett]

I think his time is up if we really want to progress beyond a 50 point barrier, mind you playing like we have in the last 5 games we might be lucky to get anywhere near that next season.

 

[jceverton]

disingenuous.

Evanilson £40m

Because they've flogged some players to the rs and chelsea (iirc) that net spend has been massaged.

Still not much of a net spend for Iraola. Let's not forget Iraola has a net spend way below Moyes who blew through £500m in his second spell at West Ham plus before Declan Rice clawed some of that back.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Come on, that's ridiculous.

They flogged players for a lot because they bought well and improved them, that's what we should be trying to do and it should be applauded.

And then when you manage to do it, you can go and spend £40 million on Evanilson and still have a £24 million net spend per season.

ridiculous? kerkez for £40m. that's a late christmas wish pay off is that!

 

[preposterousvelios]

disingenuous.

Evanilson £40m

Because they've flogged some players to the rs and chelsea (iirc) that net spend has been massaged.

They flogged 300m worth of players last year alone. Players that Iraola helped to identify, bring to the club for peanuts and then develop before flipping for massive money.

Disingenuous to act like they've just coincidentally had a load of money come in recently when obviously thats happened very specifically because of the job their manager is doing.

In terms of financial backing excluding player sales we are on a complete different planet to Bournemouth.

 

[jceverton]

but that goes right to Moyes wanting "EXPERIENCED PLAYERS" in the summer. It's literally impossible to know how a younger player will react to anything in match without playing them IN THE MATCH. Sure, would you be happy with Dibling being cack? Of course not. But running a player into the ground then bringing on a player that had both feet out the door in January but got his arm caught in the door at the end, we KNOW he's not the answer. It's a damning indictment of how Moyes has used the squad this year. His in game management has, largely, been awful.

Agreed and let's put this into an overall context, Moyes squad and in game management has always been less than stellar!

 

[jceverton]

ridiculous? kerkez for £40m. that's a late christmas wish pay off is that!

Nah that's just Slot being clueless how to get the best out of the guy.

 

[Rita_Poon]

We're in a shiny new stadium with wealthy owners.
Villa didnt get lucky. They picked wisely.
We're like Palace appointing Roy Hodgson.
Our squad is ok. Get a good manager and a couple of new players and we could finish top 6 playing nice football.
Like bournemouth.

a couple of players away from top 6.

my days!

 

[Rita_Poon]

They flogged 300m worth of players last year alone. Players that Iraola helped to identify, bring to the club for peanuts and then develop before flipping for massive money.

Disingenuous to act like they've just coincidentally had a load of money come in recently when obviously thats happened very specifically because of the job their manager is doing.

In terms of financial backing excluding player sales we are on a complete different planet to Bournemouth.

why aren't bournemouth breaking the bank to keep him? especially if he is so integral to the identifying, developing and replacing when sold their £300m gravy train.

something not right in this equation.

 

[dannyboy]

I think that's the issue with Moyes not having used the squad earlier in the season really. Iroegbunam is one that played because of AFCON so you kind of know what you're getting from him in best case/worst case scenarios. Makes it easier to say that we miss Gueye when he can't play as Iroegbunam just not consistently reliable for us yet.

The rest of them though genuinely who knows. Becoming clear now that Rohl definitely should have played more throughout the season, would have just stuck him at right back myself. And when that's the case it raises the question of what about all the other players that have been riding the bench all year.

They speak a bit about this on that pod - what questions have been answered that we had start of the season? None really, people talk a lot on here but its all guesswork. No one really knows what would have happened if we gave Dibling a run of starts or if we let Aznou play at all or if we tried Alcaraz at 10 with KDH moving back.

We don't know any of this stuff because Moyes didn't try anything in the first half of the season when there was no pressure. His only idea was trying to have Grealish and Ndiaye do literally everything for us on the ball. And ultimately what that's meant is that when it's crunch time and what we're doing hasn't been working, he has no idea where to turn to because these players haven't been given a chance to show what they can do. On top of that you have the feeling of stagnation as a fan because we've obviously wasted a year of all of these lads careers and potentially damaged their development or alienated them from the club.

Moyes painted himself into a corner where he needed these kids to bail him out at the back end of the season where there's massive pressure on every game and they can't really afford to have a bad game.

Moyes made the wrong decision because everything has gone downhill the past month or so. We're now sat here left to wonder about the points you raise on giving the others more game time.

But I just thought it was interesting the lads on the podcast raised the points you do yet said Iroegbunam has been a step down from Gueye in the middle of the park. Would this have been what we'd have all said about Dibling and Rohl if they'd kept Ndiaye and Garner on the bench for a couple of weeks?

Being the manager of this club isn't easy. Moyes has got it wrong, but I guess my counterpoint is would playing these young lads a lot more mean he'd have got it right? I'm not convinced.

 

[preposterousvelios]

why aren't bournemouth breaking the bank to keep him? especially if he is so integral to the identifying, developing and replacing when sold their £300m gravy train.

something not right in this equation.

He turned them down becuase he wants to move to a bigger club.

By all accounts they offered him a massive contract but he said no. They ultimately will always be a selling club with a tiny stadium and fanbase no matter how much they overachieve.