2025/26 David Moyes

[Bluerover]

I see Dave is complaining about the Ref.

Rather look at yourself and ask yourself why we lost.

Complaining is just considered sour grapes.

The ref was appalling - particularly letting them kick the sugar out of us without any yellows. When he booked Pickford for arguing I knew we were not getting anything from that idiot.

However, there was still well over an hour to go at that point, we were playing well. A good manager makes allowances and keeps his team's focus on what the target is, regardless of what the external conditions may be.

We seemed to just give up after they went ahead, despite the equaliser, and had decided what our excuses would be if we lost.

Very poor team management...we should have come out after HT angry and in their faces.

Remember the 4-4? That was HK's poorer 2nd period but we never gave up.

 

[Lanolin]

We were absolutely not favourites correct, but as that game unfolded it was honestly the most comfortable I’ve ever seen an Everton team at Anfield (and a pretty poor Everton team at that). We got behind numerous times, hit the post, and if we’d walked off at half time 2 up no one could have complained.

My issue is that when we are in decent form and they are in poor form. We don’t win. When they are in good form and we are in poor form, we don’t win. There is no pathway to winning these games under Moyes and every time we lose there’s always the cries of ‘well they have more money’ ‘the ref’ ‘bad luck’ etc. and in isolation they’re all correct but over a large sample there should be occasions when Everton win this fixture more than they are.

We don’t though, and we continue to find even more gut wrenching ways of losing them.

No I agree with the basic principle of that but that's very different to the point I was replying to, where you were specifically saying they were a poor side and 'on the way down' when we played them last season. That's just not true, and it just weakens the genuine points when you dilute it with stuff like that. Sunday was a real disappointment because it was a proper opportunity - they've already lost 7 away games this season including their last 2, they've dropped points to all the bottom 3, they'd only won 5 league games since the turn of the year etc, and we would have gone 6th with a win - it's not really comparable to not beating them away in a season that they win the league and are on a 25 game unbeaten run and we're firmly in the bottom half.

 

[Saint Domingo]

No I agree with the basic principle of that but that's very different to the point I was replying to, where you were specifically saying they were a poor side and 'on the way down' when we played them last season. That's just not true, and it just weakens the genuine points when you dilute it with stuff like that. Sunday was a real disappointment because it was a proper opportunity - they've already lost 7 away games this season including their last 2, they've dropped points to all the bottom 3, they'd only won 5 league games since the turn of the year etc, and we would have gone 6th with a win - it's not really comparable to not beating them away in a season that they win the league and are on a 25 game unbeaten run and we're firmly in the bottom half.

I think they were definitely poorer in the second half of last season than they were in the first half of it. I think they played worse at Anfield last year than they did at Anfield this season.

We had a genuine opportunity to beat them at Anfield last season despite their form that season. The actual quality on show from them was below what most of the Klopp teams had produced in my opinion. It’s the only time I’ve legitimately felt we could have come away from Anfield with a 2 or 3 goal win and it would have been deserved.

 

[Ferguson1878]

Didn’t half do a number on Moyes the fat waiter when he called us a small club ,

 

[Saint Domingo]

Didn’t half do a number on Moyes the fat waiter when he called us a small club ,

Moyes has done a number on himself. Never seen a manager so enthrall to Liverpool as this bloke.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

I see Dave is complaining about the Ref.

Rather look at yourself and ask yourself why we lost.

Complaining is just considered sour grapes.

That referee is atrocious with a clear bias against Everton it has to be said.

 

[Blue peter]

Football has moved on so much since Moyes 1st spell in charge, but has his tactics moved on?

we are halfway in a poor league also a point off 6th place, even Sunderland have a chance of europe and they have just come up.

we have been awful for most of the season at home and still a chance of europe, so like I say it is a poor league and we were 1 last min screamer from Tarkowski from 3 derby defeats on the bounce since he has been back so is he really moved on in footballing terms?

No he hasn’t but that wasn’t the basis of my response to the initial post

 

[Blue peter]

I agree Moyes has improved us, but we’re not going to get any better now.
Other teams ( not the big6) have won trophies whilst we stay mid table mediocre with him.

He lacks the inventiveness to get results in key games and therefore we always fall short.

Some people are happy to settle for that - clap on.

I then look at what Joe Royle did with his team, had the grit to win a trophy, get the players to perform when needed. I don’t see Moyes ever doing that I’m afraid and he’s had long enough to do it.

I get that…I’m just saying you can’t equate appreciators of Moyes with supporters of Kenwright - no comparison

 

[BackRow PE6]

We need wins In about 3 of the 5 matches we have left to finish top 7 and I just cannot see us doing that

I can see Branthwaites absence playing into Moyes hands here. Play Keane, set up to block and counter and I can see us getting 3 from 5, especially with the away games we have. Beto needs to be available though

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Mediocre Moyes

Those who want him to stay are the same who happy clapped Kenwright and booed the 27min protest.
He’s moved us up the table but that’s his limit as the last 2 critical games showed.

Not at all. I was against Kenwright as far back as the Walter Smith days. I've always said he was a rat and imo is quite possibly the worst thing to ever happen to the club. I also took part in the 27th min walk out protest against Arsenal and took abuse from fellow blues for doing so. I'm not calling for Moyes to stay, I'm just saying that I want a definite upgrade before we just get rid. If TFG have that guy and actually plan to back him for the long-term then Moyes can go tomorrow for all I care. I've just had enough short-term hiring and firing with no real plan beyond that.

 

[matty1878]

Mediocre Moyes

Those who want him to stay are the same who happy clapped Kenwright and booed the 27min protest.
He’s moved us up the table but that’s his limit as the last 2 critical games showed.

utter utter lies

 

[matty1878]

From Gemini AI:

"Since the start of the 2013/14 season, Everton have faced Liverpool 28 times in all competitions. It has been a historically difficult period for the Toffees, who have managed only two wins in that span.


The record stands at:

• Everton Wins: 2
• Draws: 12
• Liverpool Wins: 14"

I think the problem might not be Moyes. There's a collective neurosis about them and I'm convinced they feed off it when we play them.

yup

 

[davek]

Moyes is a house and I'd venture to say that he'll never win another derby.

I'm pretty much certain most other people feel he wont win one either.

He's the perfect un-reactive and shameless manager for Liverpool to face and allow them to walk all over us.

Can you imagine any Liverpool manager losing even 4 derbies against us and keeping their jobs?

16 humiliating derbies gone to that lot courtesy of this feller.

He's a disgrace and should lose his job.

All these reporters who talk up the stats about Everton not winning a derby at this place and that place should have the good grace to isolate Moyes's catastrophic impact on our club in that respect and highlight his special place in derby day history. Too busy fluffing for him though. Little old Everton should be grateful for 'the Moyesiah' according to those hacks.

 

[Rooney_Tunes]

That referee is atrocious with a clear bias against Everton it has to be said.

We lost...saying the ref was atrocious means nothing.

 

[Curtis]

I thought it was criminal we weren't able to properly put pressure on a third string keeper and the midfield wasn't doing enough to facilitate attacks , but he thinks Gana and garner (who is a player of a season contender but was mediocre for the match) are untouchable