2025/26 David Moyes

[MikeH72]

Look at Palace when they got rid of there pragmatic negative manager who wouldn't get them relegated. They got Glasner and won their first major honour and now have a semifinal in the Papa Johns Eurovision Charity Zenith Data Milk Cup thingy malarkey.

Does this count now then?

 

[John from Bootle]

Royle's time here was infinitely more successful than anything Moyes has come up with.

As a manager we have a cup win and a series of derbies when we never tasted defeat.

I think you're missing the point here Dave...

Royle's legacy: Cup Win > Kept us up (bigger picture, general performance overall) > Beat Liverpool a few times.

 

[Moomin]

Does this count now then?

I hold it in the same esteem as my 6 aside trophy I won for playing at Strikers back in the day.

 

[MikeH72]

I hold it in the same esteem as my 6 aside trophy I won for playing at Strikers back in the day.

Surely Glasner being in it or winning it doesn’t mean anything then?

 

[Moomin]

Surely Glasner being in it or winning it doesn’t mean anything then?

Its about 4 levels below the FA Cup.

 

[MikeH72]

Its about 4 levels below the FA Cup.

Ok but you did reference it in relation to Glasner, so if he wins it I assume we are all just writing it off as worthless in advance?

 

[PITA]

They're spurious examples. City obviously dont have that recent record against United and the example falls on that simple matter. And City are winning stuff (my point was that we're not achieving and therefore there's no mitigating circumstances for the derby losses).

And Ilm not talking - as you well know - one or two derby reversals requiring a sacking; this is a 16 derby losing manager - it's an exceptional case and stands alone as a measure of suitability for a manager at a club like this.

Im afraid there's no route through to a finessing of the argument where Moyes' catastrophic derby record becomes understandable.

This is the immovable object you and others come crashing into.

Not trying to stir things but in the last 10 years City have won 9 league derbies and United 7.

 

[MikeH72]

Worth noting that Martinez won 0 derbies and lost 4-0 twice.

 

[Moomin]

Ok but you did reference it in relation to Glasner, so if he wins it I assume we are all just writing it off as worthless in advance?

Yes, 100%

Europa League
Fa Cup


Beating Liverpool in the Charity Shield at Wembley




Winning a lucky dip.



Papa Johns Eurovision Charity Shield Rumbelows Fizzy Caffeine Plaque

 

[MikeH72]

Yes, 100%

Europa League
Fa Cup


Beating Liverpool in the Charity Shield at Wembley




Winning a lucky dip.



Papa Johns Eurovision Charity Shield Rumbelows Fizzy Caffeine Plaque

Very good, glad to have that established.

 

[Moomin]

Very good, glad to have that established.

It's very much a nothing trophy but I would have the full week off work and be in Europe for the final.

 

[MikeH72]

It's very much a nothing trophy but I would have the full week off work and be in Europe for the final.

Oh no this looks like the start of a backtrack Mooms

 

[hallamblue]

Yes, 100%

Europa League
Fa Cup


Beating Liverpool in the Charity Shield at Wembley




Winning a lucky dip.



Papa Johns Eurovision Charity Shield Rumbelows Fizzy Caffeine Plaque

Literally the only thing Moyes has ever won.

 

[Saint Domingo]

It’s not either or. We can win derbies and finish well in the league and win trophies. In fact if we won more derbies we’d have a better chance at doing all those things.

If we get to an FA Cup semi final next season and it’s against that lot with a bottom half PL team waiting in the final, do you want Moyes or Glasner/someone else in charge of that game? Exactly.

There’s no point even going to Wembley in that situation if Moyesn s at the helm, every player, manager, and fan of both teams would know before a ball is kicked that Everton have a 0% chance of making the final.

 

[Moomin]

Oh no this looks like the start of a backtrack Mooms

It's an excuse to get away with the lads.