2025/26 David Moyes

[DualityNSNO]

Can we get past t

Can we get past the Derby thing? Yes it sucks but at the end of the day it’s 6 points out of the whole season.

Yeah, 6 points have never decided anything after all.

 

[John from Bootle]

That's a complete downplaying of the importance to this club of losing 16 derbies on this mangers watch.

16 derbies lost by Moyes. Incredible. That cant be ignored or passed off as me just obsessing.

I mean, we all know we've been on the end of some shocking refereeing decisions during that time. We've had some horrendous luck along the way too, and for most of that time we've generally had a worse team. Should his record be better? Probably. You'd expect them to have the better record though, and they truly are our bogey team. 6 last minute winners they've now had against us in the PL era. We've seen good goals ruled out. Dodgy goals allowed. Stone wall penalty appeals turned down. Good tackles given red cards. Horrendous tackles overlooked. Almost always in their favour.

Now look, I'm not saying we've been shafted or screwed over in every single one or suffered bad luck, and we weren't at the weekend (though I still think the ref was giving some questionable decisions) but we've had more than our fair share of shaftings. If I didn't know better, I really would say that lot have made a deal with the devil

 

[davids]

...which could be down to the manager not making changes to tired players...we can just agree to disagree. Every goal scored is due to the individual effort of the guy who passed the ball and the guy who put it in the net. Manager has zero direct input in any of these goals just like you point out he has zero direct input in goals that are conceded...there is usually a player's error in that. Im fine with this. You think Moyes is a better manager than I do. Thats fine

I'm not the biggest fan of Moyes but I think he's making the best of a fairly average bunch of players. Money was wasted last Summer,it's difficult to know exactly how much input he has in transfer transactions but that is for another thread.. His team talk for the Derby should have been very simple,just play the way you did against Chelsea. Sadly the team couldn't manage anything close to that level of commitment.

 

[Moomin]

And look what happened to West Ham when they did that.

I don’t think the answer is Moyes long term, but we have done well this season, we are pushing for Europe and in no danger of relegation and we have some exciting players. He took over when we were 1 place above the relegation zone he even has Beto scoring.

We missed out on players because we were not in Europe in the summer but also players would have seen us scrapping in to stay up in at least the last three years. We may not get Europe this year but players we will see we aren’t fighting at the bottom of again. We needed a season where we stabilised and move forward again in the summer. One transfer window or two was not going to fix this and if Moyes goes in the summer or next season we will be in a much better place than when he came.

Look at Palace when they got rid of there pragmatic negative manager who wouldn't get them relegated. They got Glasner and won their first major honour and now have a semifinal in the Papa Johns Eurovision Charity Zenith Data Milk Cup thingy malarkey.

 

[MondayHater]

Yeah, 6 points have never decided anything after all.

You only have to watch the Phil Neville soccer box chat with Gary Neville. He said even the staff behind the scenes build up the Derby to much so there is so much pressure. No one is saying it’s not a big game but then we need to have cool heads and remember there are other games.

Did we blow that game, yes probably, but then we also picked up a great win v Utd at OT when we were down to ten men, first team with ten men in the PL era to win at OT.

When West Ham sacked Moyes for more sexy football, then they sacked the man they brought in for him and got Moyes back. This season they could go down.

Is Moyes the long term answer? I think most Inculding myslef would say no and if he was to leave this summer or next I wouldn’t be upset, but this stuff that he isn’t what we needed or he isn’t a good manager is nonsense. We were fighting relegation for three or so years, some of the names linked were not coming here, now he has played his part in stabilising us they may do.

 

[davek]

I mean, we all know we've been on the end of some shocking refereeing decisions during that time. We've had some horrendous luck along the way too, and for most of that time we've generally had a worse team. Should his record be better? Probably. You'd expect them to have the better record though, and they truly are our bogey team. 6 last minute winners they've now had against us in the PL era. We've seen good goals ruled out. Dodgy goals allowed. Stone wall penalty appeals turned down. Good tackles given red cards. Horrendous tackles overlooked. Almost always in their favour.

Now look, I'm not saying we've been shafted or screwed over in every single one or suffered bad luck, and we weren't at the weekend (though I still think the ref was giving some questionable decisions) but we've had more than our fair share of shaftings. If I didn't know better, I really would say that lot have made a deal with the devil

I repeat: there's no concocted 'context' to spin this 16 derby losses in 12 seasons for Moyes.

That path doesn't exist.

It is what it is: the worst managerial derby record in the 132 year history of the Merseyside Derby.

In order for that not to be his legacy here it would require he actually wins a trophy for Everton. I see that as pretty remote when the same manager also downgrades the importance of cup competitions for us.

He and his fluffers in the media are under the impression Moyes will be remembered as the man who came to a club and handed them respectable PL finishes. But he wont be. He'll be the manager everyone remembers as Liverpool's greatest derby day asset. A man who was palpably incapable of fighting Everton's corner in our two most important fixtures in any given season.

16 derby defeats: there's no way around that, and if he stays on there'll be more derby defeats to add to it.

 

[MondayHater]

Look at Palace when they got rid of there pragmatic negative manager who wouldn't get them relegated. They got Glasner and won their first major honour and now have a semifinal in the Papa Johns Eurovision Charity Zenith Data Milk Cup thingy malarkey.

You’re right, but Roy did his job. He went to Crystal Palace to keep them up and did that. He left after about a year in charge the second time. Moyes was hired last Jan was it? It’s his first full season and tbh the fact we are even within a sniff of Europe after nearly playing Championship football the past few seasons is a big plus. If he goes in the summer fine, but he is what we needed at the right time.

 

[davek]

Can we get past t

Can we get past the Derby thing? Yes it sucks but at the end of the day it’s 6 points out of the whole season.

Incredible. Absolutely incredible.

 

[MondayHater]

I repeat: there's no concocted 'context' to spin this 16 derby losses in 12 seasons for Moyes.

That path doesn't exist.

It is what it is: the worst managerial derby record in the 132 year history of the Merseyside Derby.

In order for that not to be his legacy here it would require he actually wins a trophy for Everton. I see that as pretty remote when the same manager also downgrades the importance of cup competitions for us.

He and his fluffers in the media are under the impression Moyes will be remembered as the man who came to a club and handed them respectable PL finishes. But he wont be. He'll be the manager everyone remembers as Liverpool's greatest derby day asset. A man who was palpably incapable of fighting Everton's corner in our two most important fixtures in any given season.

16 derby defeats: there's no way around that, and if he stays on there'll be more derby defeats to add to it.

You don’t think he did a good job at all when we had no money to spend and kept us up around the top 6 or 7?

 

[MondayHater]

Incredible. Absolutely incredible.

Thank you.

 

[Lanolin]

Can we get past t

Can we get past the Derby thing? Yes it sucks but at the end of the day it’s 6 points out of the whole season.

It's all relative, if we were winning trophies or at least challenging for them then the derbies wouldn't matter as much obviously, but being generally rubbish and losing the biggest games isn't a great combination. I'd happily lose both derbies and see us win a cup or even finish in the top 4, but I don't think it's massively surprising that people get hung up on whether we win derbies when we haven't finished above 7th for 11 years and haven't reached a cup final for 17.

 

[John from Bootle]

I repeat: there's no concocted 'context' to spin this 16 derby losses in 12 seasons for Moyes.

That path doesn't exist.

It is what it is: the worst managerial derby record in the 132 year history of the Merseyside Derby.

In order for that not to be his legacy here it would require he actually wins a trophy for Everton. I see that as pretty remote when the same manager also downgrades the importance of cup competitions for us.

He and his fluffers in the media are under the impression Moyes will be remembered as the man who came to a club and handed them respectable PL finishes. But he wont be. He'll be the manager everyone remembers as Liverpool's greatest derby day asset. A man who was palpably incapable of fighting Everton's corner in our two most important fixtures in any given season.

16 derby defeats: there's no way around that, and if he stays on there'll be more derby defeats to add to it.

I mean he was here for 11 seasons the first time around Dave, and he was remembered for doing a decent enough job. I think you're overestimating how much people will remember poor performances in derbies if the league form is decent enough.

Only one manager in my lifetime has really had their number, but that pales in to insignificance compared to his legacy of keeping us up that season. Which is second on the 'legacy list' after the cup win.

 

[davek]

You don’t think he did a good job at all when we had no money to spend and kept us up around the top 6 or 7?

I think he's a bang average manager who throws everything he sees as dead weight (like having to coach younger players or have to play cup games or get overly interested in derby games) out of the balloon to keep it from 'crashing to the ground'.

He manages for David Moyes. That's his remit and always will be.

 

[Timbucktoo]

Can we get past t

Can we get past the Derby thing? Yes it sucks but at the end of the day it’s 6 points out of the whole season.

And there`s plenty more games we threw points away in this season too which were just as disappointing. Getting spanked at home to Spurs, Newcastle not having an away win until they turned up at HD, Wolves and Bournemouth where we threw away a 1-0 lead, and lets not mention our FA Cup run with our special 4th shirt.

 

[davek]

I mean he was here for 11 seasons the first time around Dave, and he was remembered for doing a decent enough job. I think you're overestimating how much people will remember poor performances in derbies if the league form is decent enough.

Only one manager in my lifetime has really had their number, but that pales in to insignificance compared to his legacy of keeping us up that season. Which is second on the 'legacy list' after the cup win.

Royle's time here was infinitely more successful than anything Moyes has come up with.

As a manager we have a cup win and a series of derbies when we never tasted defeat.

What's Moyes' legacy? Nothing. A man who stayed here for 12/13/14 seasons and won f.a. and regularly oversaw humiliations at the hands of Liverpool.

As I said: his media fluffers will tell you how lucky we are. But when the dust settles he'll be an unsuccessful footnote in Everton's history - a man who's wasted in the end a decade and a half of the club's history achieving the square root of f.a.