2025/26 David Moyes

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Yeah I should have clarified really that it would apply whoever was the manager, not just to Moyes. Whoever is in charge, we need to ensure that they're given a squad of players they're going to use, there's no point in us recruiting a load of exciting attacking players if we're going to have a manager who prioritises defensive solidity and keeping the shape and the same applies in reverse.
 
I do agree to an extent but in order for it to work you either need your recruitment team to be absolutely fantastic or for your manager to be signing off on players at least to some extent. Aznou, Dibling, Rohl and George only having played 9 games worth of minutes between the lot of them isn't a sustainable model. We can't afford to be spending decent money on players who the manager doesn't intend to play, so we either need to give him a big say in who we're bringing in or we need to get a lot better at finding players who fit the profile of what he's looking for.
And there lies the issue as many have been adamant that Moyes must have signed off on all players recruited while he's been in charge but if hes not playing them then the question is why i thought McNeil had a good game Saturday don't get me wrong but why bring a winger in as of George and not play him
 
And there lies the issue as many have been adamant that Moyes must have signed off on all players recruited while he's been in charge but if hes not playing them then the question is why i thought McNeil had a good game Saturday don't get me wrong but why bring a winger in as of George and not play him
It's a tough one, all the noises out of the club are that he is signing off on them so you kind of have to believe that's the case, although it's obviously possible that the club is mandating that X percentage of the players we bring in have to be under 23 or whatever, so he's signing off on what he believes are the best options out of the pool he's picking from, but they still aren't actually what he wants. I think it's worth remembering though that he definitely had full control of transfers when he was here last time and it wasn't unheard of for him to bring players in who he then didn't really use, or certainly didn't use in the way you would have assumed was the plan to begin with.
 
I do agree to an extent but in order for it to work you either need your recruitment team to be absolutely fantastic or for your manager to be signing off on players at least to some extent. Aznou, Dibling, Rohl and George only having played 9 games worth of minutes between the lot of them isn't a sustainable model. We can't afford to be spending decent money on players who the manager doesn't intend to play, so we either need to give him a big say in who we're bringing in or we need to get a lot better at finding players who fit the profile of what he's looking for.

That’s the test for the recruitment team then, be good at your jobs. If they’re not allowed to even do their jobs then what’s the point, we might as well just model ourselves as if it’s 2007 again and let the manager run the football club, save on all their wages.
 
Moyes is Moyes you can predict him fairly accurately. Even if we strengthen he'll still be too cautious when the time calls to be more assertive. Coupled with the fact the likes of Newcastle and Spurs (subject to staying up) will strengthen and most likely have better managers and you'll find the competition will be more stronger next season (granted this is speculative thinking) I think we've missed a huge chance this season personally to qualify for the Europa League (granted we still might) as if Brentford get into it ahead of us with a rookie manager its a missed opportunity for us

Ironically, it is a missed opportunity because of the ability of Moyes as a manager.

He is one of the reasons why we have the feeling that missing out on a European would be seen as a disappointment. I was expecting us to be hovering around lower-mid table with relegation a non starter but also Europe not really on the table. I would hazard a guess that would have been the average response at the start of the season.

So, I would reiterate the point that given our base Moyes is doing a fine job, maybe even better.

I would not be surprised that, with or without Europe, Moyes gets another season, with an eye on a definitive succession plan.
 
That’s the test for the recruitment team then, be good at your jobs. If they’re not allowed to even do their jobs then what’s the point, we might as well just model ourselves as if it’s 2007 again and let the manager run the football club, save on all their wages.
It's not just being good at their jobs though, that's what i'm saying. Being good at their jobs is identifying and recruiting good players, regardless of anything else. If they're signing players without any input from the manager it's a lot more than just being 'good' at their jobs, it's about absolutely nailing every aspect of it so that not only are the players they bring in good, they also align perfectly with what the manager wants from a player (in terms of attitude, skillset, workrate, tactical awareness etc). We're not the only club with the type of issue i'm talking about, look at Villa bringing in the likes of Elliott, Sancho and Guessand who Emery clearly just hasn't fancied, Newcastle signing Woltemade for huge money and then seemingly having no idea what type of player they actually want him to be, Forest spending an absolute fortune in the summer on a load of players who don't always make matchday squads and in some cases have already left. Like I said, I agree with the theory of it but you do have to be careful because ultimately picking the team is based entirely on subjectivity so if the one picking the team isn't having any say on who he's actually picking from it can very easily go badly wrong.
 
Ironically, it is a missed opportunity because of the ability of Moyes as a manager.

He is one of the reasons why we have the feeling that missing out on a European would be seen as a disappointment. I was expecting us to be hovering around lower-mid table with relegation a non starter but also Europe not really on the table. I would hazard a guess that would have been the average response at the start of the season.

So, I would reiterate the point that given our base Moyes is doing a fine job, maybe even better.

I would not be surprised that, with or without Europe, Moyes gets another season, with an eye on a definitive succession plan.
Nah I don't agree with that. A close season poll on here had 90% of people saying they expected a top 10 finish, and for good reason. Lower mid table is where we've finished for the last 2 years, it will have been a very poor season if we end up 12th or 13th again this year considering the difference in investment and just the obvious improvement to the level of the squad from the last couple of years.

For me the 8th-10th bracket was always where we should have been looking to be and that's where we are so no complaints on that score. Going higher than that would be classed as a really good effort for me, slipping back into the bottom half would mean a really disappointing season when allied with the dreadful cup results. Both of those possibilities are still on the table at this stage, but I think it's probably more likely that we stick roughly where we are.
 
Surely my eyes deceive me?

The mighty Brentford also failed to beat Wolves at home?

I assume they must be demanding they sack their manager also.
 
Nah I don't agree with that. A close season poll on here had 90% of people saying they expected a top 10 finish, and for good reason. Lower mid table is where we've finished for the last 2 years, it will have been a very poor season if we end up 12th or 13th again this year considering the difference in investment and just the obvious improvement to the level of the squad from the last couple of years.

For me the 8th-10th bracket was always where we should have been looking to be and that's where we are so no complaints on that score. Going higher than that would be classed as a really good effort for me, slipping back into the bottom half would mean a really disappointing season when allied with the dreadful cup results. Both of those possibilities are still on the table at this stage, but I think it's probably more likely that we stick roughly where we are.

Fair enough, I got that wrong.

I suppose I was not necessarily expecting us to finish outside of the top 10, but more as the season went on we would be more hovering around 10th, considered too far away from a realistic shot at Europe. Whereas we have been more in the higher end of the expectations for the majority of the season.
 
Well, if I said we should go after Jose Mourinho because he was highly succesful 10, 15 years ago Id think I would be laughed at. Saying Moyes is a good manager because of what he did under Bill Kenwright, seems to me, similar, but you be you.
I think you’d be laughed at because Jose has a more recent record of failure everywhere he’s been including in the premier league. Moyes did a good job at West Ham pretty recently and did an excellent job last year. But you do you.
 
It's a tough one, all the noises out of the club are that he is signing off on them so you kind of have to believe that's the case, although it's obviously possible that the club is mandating that X percentage of the players we bring in have to be under 23 or whatever, so he's signing off on what he believes are the best options out of the pool he's picking from, but they still aren't actually what he wants. I think it's worth remembering though that he definitely had full control of transfers when he was here last time and it wasn't unheard of for him to bring players in who he then didn't really use, or certainly didn't use in the way you would have assumed was the plan to begin with.
This is it, he may have final sign of but he doesn't have full control. I assume, based on what happened in the summer, he would have been given parameters of signings (perhaps spend X on under 23 players, Y on prime players etc) and will need to operate within those.

Without those, I tend to agree with the anti-Moyes crowd that we'd be supporting Michail Antonio, Soucek, et al every week right now.
 
Fair enough, I got that wrong.

I suppose I was not necessarily expecting us to finish outside of the top 10, but more as the season went on we would be more hovering around 10th, considered too far away from a realistic shot at Europe. Whereas we have been more in the higher end of the expectations for the majority of the season.
That's kind of what I mean by disagreeing with your original statement though, we can't really say it only applies because Moyes has done such an amazing job because in reality it's just the way the league is this season - even if we were currently 14th we'd still be thinking we had a shot at Europe because the gap is only 6 points to 7th, but being 14th would mean we'd actually gone backwards from the last 2 seasons in terms of league position so couldn't really be argued to be progression. Generally speaking if you're in that midtable bracket you're not a million miles away from the possibility of Europe (depending on which position would secure it obviously).
 

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