2025/26 David Moyes

[Kevsleftpeg]

Nice vaulting belwhif. I'd have waited until the end of the season personally, but you go ahead. I bet you enjoyed the magnificent 7th DVD.

Bizarre.

 

[Saint Domingo]

There is no taking advantage of opportunities. Every single game is a one off event. There are no games that we are supposed to win and supposed to lose. Football doesn't work like that. Wolves we rotated our squad and lost. Sunderland in the cup we were absolutely threadbare. The best teams in the league have dropped points or been close to dropping points against all the teams you have listed above.

Which is exactly my point. So we shouldn’t be coming out saying there’s games we’re not expected to win.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Err, Baines never made less than 22 PL appearances under Moyes and those 22 PL appearances came in his first season here. After that, he never made less than 30. Heitinga made 115 PL appearances in 4 seasons.

Not really great examples these mate.

Fair enough mate, but I also see no examples to the contrary given that he's had his favourites and currently Gana was straight back in, tired and unfit, despite youngsters being available (and playing well the last 3-4 games). It's small things like that that cost games and those 2-3 points that we end up being nearly okay with. Yeah, I know it worked out last game out, but it almost didn't, and didn't in many of the previous games for things like this.

Baines was kept out by Lescott who was an absolute beast for us at left back for a period and scored 8 goals that season. Nothing wrong with making new players earn their place. He eventually got in the team and never looked back. We finished 5th that season with 65 points BTW and Baines went on to be one of our best ever players having had a chance to settle in gradually. Heitinga - not sure what you are referring to there.

Lescott's goals were entirely from set pieces and he was a square peg in a round hole at LB because he's left footed, and just to have him upfront for set pieces. Instead of having a rotation of Jags/Yobo/Lescott in CB and have one of the better left backs play, we couldn't accommodate or change anything and had to play players out of position like that. We finished and scored the exact same amount the season after, too, and played the exact same players that we did during the season in Europe too, giving no young players a chance (which is a repeating thing as well and people are now just ignoring for potential Europe next year, where we'll definitely play young players, despite this also rarely/never happening consistently).

Heitinga had to play everywhere else before getting to be a CB (and player of the season as a CB) because of favourites too. More players too, not gonna bother to look it up honestly, tiresome to repeat.

Feels like the same sentiment that is "oh I hate him because of 10+ years ago" is reversed in the "I love him because of 20+ years ago" camp currently, where you cannot criticise things that a manager is literally known for.

 

[MikeH72]

The purchase cost of our squad is 13th most expensive.

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Wow, Notts Forest there.

 

[Efcjake]

Squad quality wasn’t the reason we took only 3 points from 18 out of Wolves H Burnley A Leeds A Leeds H, Brentford H, West Ham H,

I'd suggest our squad quality during the AFCON and injuries we experienced definitely impacted our squad quality more than some supposed "mindset that stops us ever getting over the line."

Which is what you started off moaning about because of his press conference.

 

[DualityNSNO]

There is no taking advantage of opportunities. Every single game is a one off event. There are no games that we are supposed to win and supposed to lose. Football doesn't work like that. Wolves we rotated our squad and lost. Sunderland in the cup we were absolutely threadbare. The best teams in the league have dropped points or been close to dropping points against all the teams you have listed above.

I agree there are no expected wins/losses, but also at the same time I think this exact period (mid december to mid january) is why Moyes is getting criticised as it was Jekyll and Hyde with every subsequent performance, with bizarre selection choices for no reason, as no major injuries were reported?

Also cmon mate, you don't expect us to win against a freshly promoted team, or someone like Wolves who were at the literal bottom of the league (and among the bottom of the entire football league)? Really?

 

[DanB90]

I despair at our fan base. Where were we when Moyes took over - every single one of you would have been delighted to be where we are now.

Sure we all want better, but give the guy credit for getting us this far.

To look at perspective, a team 2 points ahead of us in the league spent half a BILLION pounds to regress.

Sure there have been frustrations, but largely this is significantly better than we have been for years.

Yeah but the the cork-sniffers can’t bare it because his name is David Moyes.

They’d prefer we were being managed by an Iraola, or playing false wingbacks and sitting in 16th place.

 

[John from Bootle]

Fair enough mate, but I also see no examples to the contrary given that he's had his favourites and currently Gana was straight back in, tired and unfit, despite youngsters being available (and playing well the last 3-4 games). It's small things like that that cost games and those 2-3 points that we end up being nearly okay with. Yeah, I know it worked out last game out, but it almost didn't, and didn't in many of the previous games for things like this.

Lescott's goals were entirely from set pieces and he was a square peg in a round hole at LB because he's left footed, and just to have him upfront for set pieces. Instead of having a rotation of Jags/Yobo/Lescott in CB and have one of the better left backs play, we couldn't accommodate or change anything and had to play players out of position like that. We finished and scored the exact same amount the season after, too, and played the exact same players that we did during the season in Europe too, giving no young players a chance (which is a repeating thing as well and people are now just ignoring for potential Europe next year, where we'll definitely play young players, despite this also rarely/never happening consistently).

Heitinga had to play everywhere else before getting to be a CB (and player of the season as a CB) because of favourites too. More players too, not gonna bother to look it up honestly, tiresome to repeat.

Feels like the same sentiment that is "oh I hate him because of 10+ years ago" is reversed in the "I love him because of 20+ years ago" camp currently, where you cannot criticise things that a manager is literally known for.

Oh, come on. the last game "almost" never worked out? Are we doing this? I'm not gonna sit here and point out the times we "almost" got a result but never.

 

[DualityNSNO]

I'd suggest our squad quality during the AFCON and injuries we experienced definitely impacted our squad quality more than some supposed "mindset that stops us ever getting over the line."

Which is what you started off moaning about because of his press conference.

I do agree that it was weird to keep switching from what works to what clearly doesn't and then not going back to the working scheme for 70 min/until it's too late though.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Oh, come on. the last game "almost" never worked out? Are we doing this? I'm not gonna sit here and point out the times we "almost" got a result but never.

Yes, we could've been 4-5:0 down easily before we actually tried to change the game, in a classic 70th minute.

The times we almost got a result but never did is huge too, yes.

 

[Efcjake]

I do agree that it was weird to keep switching from what works to what clearly doesn't and then not going back to the working scheme for 70 min/until it's too late though.

At the end of the day if he gets results that's all that matters to me right now.

We are not prime Barcelona and beating everyone in the league. Though I don't expect us to when he's been in the job just over 12 months.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Oh, come on. the last game "almost" never worked out? Are we doing this? I'm not gonna sit here and point out the times we "almost" got a result but never.

Also no examples to the contrary still stand.

 

[MikeH72]

Dychettes really really struggling these days. I’d say it’s sad to see, but it isn’t.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

Fair enough mate, but I also see no examples to the contrary given that he's had his favourites and currently Gana was straight back in, tired and unfit, despite youngsters being available (and playing well the last 3-4 games). It's small things like that that cost games and those 2-3 points that we end up being nearly okay with. Yeah, I know it worked out last game out, but it almost didn't, and didn't in many of the previous games for things like this.

Lescott's goals were entirely from set pieces and he was a square peg in a round hole at LB because he's left footed, and just to have him upfront for set pieces. Instead of having a rotation of Jags/Yobo/Lescott in CB and have one of the better left backs play, we couldn't accommodate or change anything and had to play players out of position like that. We finished and scored the exact same amount the season after, too, and played the exact same players that we did during the season in Europe too, giving no young players a chance (which is a repeating thing as well and people are now just ignoring for potential Europe next year, where we'll definitely play young players, despite this also rarely/never happening consistently).

Heitinga had to play everywhere else before getting to be a CB (and player of the season as a CB) because of favourites too. More players too, not gonna bother to look it up honestly, tiresome to repeat.

Feels like the same sentiment that is "oh I hate him because of 10+ years ago" is reversed in the "I love him because of 20+ years ago" camp currently, where you cannot criticise things that a manager is literally known for.

Lescott was fantastic at left back mate. We finished 5th. I remember Anichebe and Vaughan playing a lot in Europe for us. Which other youngster should have played that didn't. The Heitinga things I would imagine was because of a shortage of midfield players and having good centre halves. Sometimes players get played out of position. This is a under 9s net ball team. Managers don't have favourites. Jesus wept.

 

[DualityNSNO]

At the end of the day if he gets results that's all that matters to me right now.

We are not prime Barcelona and beating everyone in the league. Though I don't expect us to when he's been in the job just over 12 months.

It does, but he should be sharing the blame equally when we go on a 4-5 game run where the only win was against a relegation fodder team like Notts Forest, no? Which has been my point the entire time, I don't hate what he's doing or the man himself, but apparently everything he's done is retconned and he's the best thing since sliced bread, for some, and the root of all evil for the rest. Where's the middle ground, where is the fence we're supposed to sit on (@chicoazul )???

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