2025/26 David Moyes

[brittcop1]

I honestly didnt realize that Moyes was so polarizing. As someone just said, no point trying to change peoples minds on the subject. There seem to be three camps: Those that did not like the small mentality ( knife to a gunfight) he had at the end of his first term here before he bailed to Utd and then tried to take Baines and Fellani. The second group, ( me) thinks he was a good appointment for the new owners, did well last year but see him as a throwback and not a long term answer after this summer and the third group who think he can do no wrong and is some kind of football genius. All are entitled to their opinion, it is a forum afterall. What I do think is weird is people damning him or more often defending him based on his perceived actions here 15 to 20 years ago. Totally irrelevent, the conversation about keep him or bin him should be totally about the teams, tactics and interactions hes having now, not what we perceive his relationship with players 15 years ago was.

 

[brittcop1]

Sunce you enjoyed it here's some more net spend context for you.

Dyche and Moyes had Everton squads last season with identical net spends. Let's see how they got on with this equal footing?

Moyes had us in top half form and Dyche had us 16th looking at relegation with 3 wins in 19.

Thank you for your attention to this bit of context about net spend.
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[Efcjake]

I honestly didnt realize that Moyes was so polarizing. As someone just said, no point trying to change peoples minds on the subject. There seem to be three camps: Those that did not like the small mentality ( knife to a gunfight) he had at the end of his first term here before he bailed to Utd and then tried to take Baines and Fellani. The second group, ( me) thinks he was a good appointment for the new owners, did well last year but see him as a throwback and not a long term answer after this summer and the third group who think he can do no wrong and is some kind of football genius. All are entitled to their opinion, it is a forum afterall. What I do think is weird is people damning him or more often defending him based on his perceived actions here 15 to 20 years ago. Totally irrelevent, the conversation about keep him or bin him should be totally about the teams, tactics and interactions hes having now, not what we perceive his relationship with players 15 years ago was.

I think you're missing another group of people fed up with the constant entitlement on display from certain impatient sections of the support and are willing to let him just get on with his job unless he makes a catastrophe out of it.

I think there's plenty of us who were sceptical of the appointment, allowed him to prove us wrong, and are willing to let him have the time he's been contracted for to make us improve.

Unless he gets Europe he shouldn't be getting an extension. I'm happy to let him bring us up to midtable for this season and next and give us a platform and squad to allow another manager to have a chance at Europe if he doesn't achieve it.

 

[Swartzy]

I honestly didnt realize that Moyes was so polarizing. As someone just said, no point trying to change peoples minds on the subject. There seem to be three camps: Those that did not like the small mentality ( knife to a gunfight) he had at the end of his first term here before he bailed to Utd and then tried to take Baines and Fellani. The second group, ( me) thinks he was a good appointment for the new owners, did well last year but see him as a throwback and not a long term answer after this summer and the third group who think he can do no wrong and is some kind of football genius. All are entitled to their opinion, it is a forum afterall. What I do think is weird is people damning him or more often defending him based on his perceived actions here 15 to 20 years ago. Totally irrelevent, the conversation about keep him or bin him should be totally about the teams, tactics and interactions hes having now, not what we perceive his relationship with players 15 years ago was.

I would say 90% are in the middle group, just a very vocal 10% spread on the other sides

 

[brittcop1]

I think you're missing another group of people fed up with the constant entitlement on display from certain impatient sections of the support and are willing to let him just get on with his job unless he makes a catastrophe out of it.

I think there's plenty of us who were sceptical of the appointment, allowed him to prove us wrong, and are willing to let him have the time he's been contracted for to make us improve.

Unless he gets Europe he shouldn't be getting an extension. I'm happy to let him bring us up to midtable for this season and next and give us a platform and squad to allow another manager to have a chance at Europe if he doesn't achieve it.

Fair point although I do think the EPL that exists today doesnt really allow for slow, cautious improvement. It is very easy to be overtaken and overlooked. Years ago we felt we should be a top 4 team, then 6...then maybe we thought we should be on a level with Spurs and Villa, now, judging by talk on this forum, we have no right to expect to do well against newly promoted clubs even at home and it seems we are no more attractive to players than any other club in the league.
Its not impossible to be prudent yet still have a little excitement outside of the top 4- Forest, Palace, Newcastle, Villa, even Spurs have all given their fans some excitement in the last few years.

 

[Bluepablo]

We didn't need to. I'm not sure John Stones is sitting among his various pieces of silverware thinking how things could have been if David Moyes had just given him a few minutes as a sub when he was 18.

Agreed but the original post was about how Stones was an example of Moyes developing younger players & I was merely pointing out the anomaly that Moyes never gave him a minute of playing time.

 

[davek]

I honestly didnt realize that Moyes was so polarizing. As someone just said, no point trying to change peoples minds on the subject. There seem to be three camps: Those that did not like the small mentality ( knife to a gunfight) he had at the end of his first term here before he bailed to Utd and then tried to take Baines and Fellani. The second group, ( me) thinks he was a good appointment for the new owners, did well last year but see him as a throwback and not a long term answer after this summer and the third group who think he can do no wrong and is some kind of football genius. All are entitled to their opinion, it is a forum afterall. What I do think is weird is people damning him or more often defending him based on his perceived actions here 15 to 20 years ago. Totally irrelevent, the conversation about keep him or bin him should be totally about the teams, tactics and interactions hes having now, not what we perceive his relationship with players 15 years ago was.

It's not irrelevant at all - and his actions back then weren't down to 'perception' they were very real.

He stabbed this club in the back and insulted the fans...after being treated very well for 11 years.

Those actions frame the debate.

 

[brittcop1]

People want younger, we bring in younger, they change to wanting older..

Pickford

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O'Brien
Branthwaite
Aznou ?

Dibling
Armstrong
Garner
KDH
George

Barry

Doesn't look a bad team or age range.

It's not irrelevant at all - and his actions back then weren't down to 'perception' they were very real.

He stabbed this club in the back and insulted the fans...after being treated very well for 11 years.

Those actions frame the debate.

 

[brittcop1]

Well that would put you in catagory 1 then, wouldnt it? Those actions framed the debate of do you want him back...that has been argued and adjudicated. Hes here. . My point is if we are using "data" from 15 years ago to shape why he shouldnt stay on here now, seems like a very weak argument we are making? I can think of enough " incidents" in the last 3 months that have shaped my opinion but hey, that's me.

 

[Swartzy]

Well that would put you in catagory 1 then, wouldnt it? My point is if we are using "data" from 15 years ago to shape why he shouldnt stay on here now, seems like a very weak argument we are making? I can think of enough " incidents" in the last 3 months that have shaped my opinion but hey, that's me.

Is this to me, cos i'm still lost on what your last post is implying.

 

[davek]

Well that would put you in catagory 1 then, wouldnt it? My point is if we are using "data" from 15 years ago to shape why he shouldnt stay on here now, seems like a very weak argument we are making? I can think of enough " incidents" in the last 3 months that have shaped my opinion but hey, that's me.

I didn't say it was exclusively for that reason. He's also a negative manager who is clueless at using the fairly substantial resources we have now at this club...instead he wasted about 6 games over Christmas and the new year moaning and practically telling every team we played that we were 'depleted' and there for the taking....then we beat Villa away with that 'depleted' squad.

 

[brittcop1]

Is this to me, cos i'm still lost on what your last post is implying.

It was to Davek but i should probably just step away from the keyboard at this point

 

[brittcop1]

I didn't say it was exclusively for that reason. He's also a negative manager who is clueless at using the fairly substantial resources we have now at this club...instead he wasted about 6 games over Christmas and the new year moaning and practically telling every team we played that we were 'depleted' and there for the taking....then we beat Villa away with that 'depleted' squad.

THAT i totally agree with

 

[blueboy72]

I think you're missing another group of people fed up with the constant entitlement on display from certain impatient sections of the support and are willing to let him just get on with his job unless he makes a catastrophe out of it.

I think there's plenty of us who were sceptical of the appointment, allowed him to prove us wrong, and are willing to let him have the time he's been contracted for to make us improve.

Unless he gets Europe he shouldn't be getting an extension. I'm happy to let him bring us up to midtable for this season and next and give us a platform and squad to allow another manager to have a chance at Europe if he doesn't achieve it.

Ultimately he has to have more success earlier than a manager who attacks And plays a good style and looks to play younger players and build something. You can’t have this style and tactics to finish 12 and hardly win a game at home.

And we all know Moyes ain’t changing his tactics anytime soon.

 

[Swartzy]

It was to Davek but i should probably just step away from the keyboard at this point

Oh right, so it was down to me showing a young team, that you are now referring me as the top pro Moyes part of your 3 groups.

Really, you should be looking at that group of lads positively, whatever managers name is above the teamsheet..