2025/26 David Moyes

It's highly relevant. You can fire out as many middle fingers as you like, but Joe Royle has been our best manager since Howard Kendall mark one in the 80's.

Moyes spent eleven years here first time around and won nothing. It became apparent to me after he fielded a weakened team against Wolves in the league cup, that he won't be winning anything as manager in his second stint here either.😉
In your dumb opinion.
 
In this regard he was very much the anti-Moyes. Moyes always looks to excuse himself for responsibility when he gets a disappointing result whereas Martinez pretended like it wasn't a disappointing result and that everything was "phenomenal". I'd probably like something in between, tbh. That being said, Martinez constantly talking up the club after a decade of Moyes talking it down was very refreshing. Shame it didn't work out.
That first season under Martinez was my most enjoyable Everton season since the 1995/1996 Kanchelskis one. It just about shades the 2004/2005 and 2007/2008 seasons under Moyes for me.

It's a shame things didn't work out in the end but at least he gave both the cup competitions a good go in his final season.
 
So a trophy trump getting into european places? If somebody offered me silverware now ahead of a number of years of fruitless european qualifications, I would tear their arm off for the silverware.
I wouldn’t. I sooner have team that plays well year in year out than just for 6 games against a mixture of lower league teams and a few premier league sides.
 
It depends on if your selection criteria is actual trophies or those of the seventh place variety i suppose.

I love Joe Royle and if he stayed for longer then there would be no doubt about who would have been the better manager, if the same things happened after 2002.

There is also no doubt that Royle is in the argument, as he did win a trophy and much like Moyes, he gave us our respect back, in league terms.

Moyes is also definitely in the argument. Yes, he did not give us a trophy. You can pour scorn on the 7th placed finishes all you like but there were a few 5th and 6th, along with a 4th as well. So the fact that he kept up a decent standard for so long, without spending nearly a fraction of the teams above him and some below him, was an achievement. It may not be the exact achievement we wanted but it was still on the achievement 'spectrum'.

I may be biased, as I was going to the games under Moyes and was only a teenager living away from Liverpool when Royle was here. But I would just give the record of Moyes slightly higher than Royle, just for longevity and the fun we had away in Europe on multiple occasions.
 
I love Joe Royle and if he stayed for longer then there would be no doubt about who would have been the better manager, if the same things happened after 2002.

There is also no doubt that Royle is in the argument, as he did win a trophy and much like Moyes, he gave us our respect back, in league terms.

Moyes is also definitely in the argument. Yes, he did not give us a trophy. You can pour scorn on the 7th placed finishes all you like but there were a few 5th and 6th, along with a 4th as well. So the fact that he kept up a decent standard for so long, without spending nearly a fraction of the teams above him and some below him, was an achievement. It may not be the exact achievement we wanted but it was still on the achievement 'spectrum'.

I may be biased, as I was going to the games under Moyes and was only a teenager living away from Liverpool when Royle was here. But I would just give the record of Moyes slightly higher than Royle, just for longevity and the fun we had away in Europe on multiple occasions.

Joe was like a lightening strike - which was so much fun - but over just as quick.

Moyes built the club up layer by layer every year and made it 100's of millions - when the club was on its arse.

Just happy we had both to be honest.

Love them both.
 

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