2025/26 David Moyes

[Bluepablo]

This is true. If anything possibly this thread should be half dead and it should all be about who is coming in this window and the next. As both Moyes and any possible next manager are going to playing from that deck of cards, and if it remains badly flawed any manager will be severely restricted in what they can do

That would be fair enough if the manager was a coach but Moyes, as he has stated, has a veto on transfers so it goes back to what is the style of play & team formation so that the right players can be targeted.

Think it was a mistake to bin the DOF structure, I believe the role model clubs such as Brighton & Bournemouth have one & recruiting a manager is effectively the same process as recruiting a player.

 

[Gilbert..]

I think we are talking about slightly different things.

I don’t disagree that football fans in general are impatient

In my opinion I think we were ready for a period of patience and calm in general, and possibly am overly optimistic in thinking we would be much more relaxed right now overall if this season was happening under a new manager. As we could have some sense of hope in what might come next under a new unknown quantity with new owners.

But for me we lost a real chance of that by picking somebody that lots of people were against to begin with (and I think with fair reason, as if you can’t draw an opinion of a manager after 10 seasons or whatever then when can you)

I don’t think the current moaning is just generally related to an impatient fanbase. I think it’s perfectly normal and specifically related to this one manager they chose. It’s why the constant shouts of “don’t you know the state we’ve been in recently” are annoying. Us being in a mess does not automatically mean people forget how much they dislike or were tired of a manager and his ways. If anything I think the choice has possibly lost us the opportunity of the one moment in time when the vast majority could have come together and said “right, let’s give this guy a couple seasons and let’s see”

I'll be honest with you mate im bored to death with the Moyes thing now. In regards of picking him when we did. He was available at the time when the team was on its arse one point above the drop. Wether its time to say thanks for steadying the ship and move on is a possibilty.
But it goes a bit deeper than that for me. The recruitment needs to improve.
I put it out on here the other day to a poster who's very anti Moyes who would you give the job to. They never came up with any names. Some of the selections from others ive read are currently sitting below Moyes in the table.
Ive got no objection to changing the manager as long as they're better than what we've got.

 

[matty1878]

I'll be honest with you mate im bored to death with the Moyes thing now. In regards of picking him when we did. He was available at the time when the team was on its arse one point above the drop. Wether its time to say thanks for steadying the ship and move on is a possibilty.
But it goes a bit deeper than that for me. The recruitment needs to improve.
I put it out on here the other day to a poster who's very anti Moyes who would you give the job to. They never came up with any names. Some of the selections from others ive read are currently sitting below Moyes in the table.
Ive got no objection to changing the manager as long as they're better than what we've got.

Great post

 

[bicycleheader]

I'll be honest with you mate im bored to death with the Moyes thing now. In regards of picking him when we did. He was available at the time when the team was on its arse one point above the drop. Wether its time to say thanks for steadying the ship and move on is a possibilty.
But it goes a bit deeper than that for me. The recruitment needs to improve.
I put it out on here the other day to a poster who's very anti Moyes who would you give the job to. They never came up with any names. Some of the selections from others ive read are currently sitting below Moyes in the table.
Ive got no objection to changing the manager as long as they're better than what we've got.

I didn't like him coming back at all, but can't fault the decision and it worked out great I would be of the mind we should have changed in the summer to properly start a new era but also wasn't losing the head at him staying on.

It's a regular argument on here, but I don't think anybody should need to be able to say who to appoint next just to have the right to say the current manager is not the right choice or should go. Ideally we have a well organised team of people making those choices

On the managers currently below Moyes it's not really an argument to say they shouldn't be the next pick. The biggest problem with Moyes isn't what he is doing now so much, is what many fans feel he won't do going forward. Gives very little to look forward to with such predictability.

Give me another manager such as Frank and he is already one step ahead as I haven't already seen multiple seasons of him at our club and won't know exactly what he might do going forward or what he might plan. He certainly wouldn't be the most exciting appointment but I'd be all ears to see what he and the club plan to do.

It's not an exact science this manager thing. Fail one place, but fit perfectly at another. Join a club and be in the right place at right time. Lots of unknowns. Lots of factors. We need to make a reasonable choice and stick with it. But we need to move past the inertia of Moyes first.

 

[Swartzy]

I'll be honest with you mate im bored to death with the Moyes thing now. In regards of picking him when we did. He was available at the time when the team was on its arse one point above the drop. Wether its time to say thanks for steadying the ship and move on is a possibilty.
But it goes a bit deeper than that for me. The recruitment needs to improve.
I put it out on here the other day to a poster who's very anti Moyes who would you give the job to. They never came up with any names. Some of the selections from others ive read are currently sitting below Moyes in the table.
Ive got no objection to changing the manager as long as they're better than what we've got.

Bar Jack and Tim we've got all the lads back now..
15 games to see what we need to see.
The Summer will paint the picture of where we are as a fanbase..

 

[Gilbert..]

I didn't like him coming back at all, but can't fault the decision and it worked out great I would be of the mind we should have changed in the summer to properly start a new era but also wasn't losing the head at him staying on.

It's a regular argument on here, but I don't think anybody should need to be able to say who to appoint next just to have the right to say the current manager is not the right choice or should go. Ideally we have a well organised team of people making those choices

On the managers currently below Moyes it's not really an argument to say they shouldn't be the next pick. The biggest problem with Moyes isn't what he is doing now so much, is what many fans feel he won't do going forward. Gives very little to look forward to with such predictability.

Give me another manager such as Frank and he is already one step ahead as I haven't already seen multiple seasons of him at our club and won't know exactly what he might do going forward or what he might plan. He certainly wouldn't be the most exciting appointment but I'd be all ears to see what he and the club plan to do.

It's not an exact science this manager thing. Fail one place, but fit perfectly at another. Join a club and be in the right place at right time. Lots of unknowns. Lots of factors. We need to make a reasonable choice and stick with it. But we need to move past the inertia of Moyes first.

There is nothing to currently suggest Thomas Frank is a better manager than Moyes. If anything he is a great example of what i mentioned about recruitment and set up. Brentford havent battered an eyelid since he left. They're doing better without him. Oliver Glasner walked into a very well recruited palace squad. Now he's losing his best players he's struggling to get a win at palace.
I wanted Graham Potter when he was at Brighton so wtf do i know. Another manager who it seems was at a club that the set up and recruitment is what holds it together rather than just the manager.

 

[RD2910]

I think he is implying Moyes hopes for some individual brilliance to win a game other than his own tactical planning?

That's what I thought, but I don't recognise that description at all, especially re Cahill.

 

[blueboy72]

I'll be honest with you mate im bored to death with the Moyes thing now. In regards of picking him when we did. He was available at the time when the team was on its arse one point above the drop. Wether its time to say thanks for steadying the ship and move on is a possibilty.
But it goes a bit deeper than that for me. The recruitment needs to improve.
I put it out on here the other day to a poster who's very anti Moyes who would you give the job to. They never came up with any names. Some of the selections from others ive read are currently sitting below Moyes in the table.
Ive got no objection to changing the manager as long as they're better than what we've got.

So we can’t appoint anyone below him in the league, so what about getting silva back or the Brentford manager, both above us.

To be honest, obviously I want better, but what I really want is a style that gets fans off their feet, a game plan a team that actually looks like it’s been coached. What ever you think of someone like Iraola, against Liverpool, who have a superior team and players, Bournemouth were under pressure in that 2nd half and had less than 30% possession. But when they got the ball, they tried to play quick passing and attack as a team, didn’t always work. But it wasn’t let’s boot up to the big lad abd hope we pick up the scraps. I have no clue what our identity is, what the plan is and what Moyes does at finch farm.

I’m so bored of watching the dross he serves up 9 weeks out of 10

 

[blueboy72]

There is nothing to currently suggest Thomas Frank is a better manager than Moyes. If anything he is a great example of what i mentioned about recruitment and set up. Brentford havent battered an eyelid since he left. They're doing better without him. Oliver Glasner walked into a very well recruited palace squad. Now he's losing his best players he's struggling to get a win at palace.
I wanted Graham Potter when he was at Brighton so wtf do i know. Another manager who it seems was at a club that the set up and recruitment is what holds it together rather than just the manager.

Problem is Moyes is in control of recruitment and he’s going into his last years And just go and look how much he wasted at west ham

 

[bicycleheader]

There is nothing to currently suggest Thomas Frank is a better manager than Moyes. If anything he is a great example of what i mentioned about recruitment and set up. Brentford havent battered an eyelid since he left. They're doing better without him. Oliver Glasner walked into a very well recruited palace squad. Now he's losing his best players he's struggling to get a win at palace.
I wanted Graham Potter when he was at Brighton so wtf do i know. Another manager who it seems was at a club that the set up and recruitment is what holds it together rather than just the manager.

Im happy to trust in getting a manager that might be better. That might do something that Moyes won't do. They are all going to be a risk

I've said it to my Spurs supporting mate who wants Frank out. It's time to shut up and just let him work for a couple of seasons and then see. It's not like they are missing out on something they normally achieve. Risk of another couple of seasons lost if he doesn't work out is worth it to finally allow a manager a real chance to get them going again.

Point is after a good chunk of my life watching Moyes as our manager I feel I know what he will do and its not very interesting.

I'd like Everton to stop taking the pee. Benítez, Allardyce, Dyche, Man U Legend Wayne Rooney coming back, now Moyes back. Do something a well managed and ambitious club might do please. Research and analyse to plan for a squad makeup and the manager to suit it whoever that may be.

I think it's entirely fair to have a strong opinion on this current manager. Not many fanbases have had such a long period of time to make judgement.

But your stance also makes sense to me. I get it. Its just not how I see it

 

[TyphooToffee]

I feel in a poetic mood this morning. Ahem...

There once was man, name of Davy

Whose national team played in navy

But his club's blue was royal

And he vowed not to spoil

His reputation, by favouring Sam's gravy

 

[twoblue]

Fighting relegation
Safe already
Better than than last season
On track for best position since 2018
Just 3 points off European place
Fans response Moyes …he’s got to go

 

[wandyr79]

Fighting relegation
Safe already
Better than than last season
On track for best position since 2018
Just 3 points off European place
Fans response Moyes …he’s got to go

I am mean the situation is a bit more nuanced than that, but this is a good place to start.

I am an Everton fan, not a Moyes fan, so if he does go then I will be hoping for better but it is just far too risky, in my opinion to let him go, just yet.

There is no valid reason other than fans don't like his style of play, or don't like him.

Realistically we have probably improved more than I thought we would and this might be the consensus, if you look at predictions pre-season. There is a case that it is simply a personality clash and nothing to do with the football. Or, it is just people wanting to whinge. I would not be surprised to hear the same arguments, against him, if we were sitting in the top 4.

Are there better managers out there, in our range, of course there are. Some times though it is a case of careful what you wish for.

He has come in for stability, I don't think we can definitely say we are stable yet. We have hit calmer waters, for sure, but one more summer transfer window, another run at Europe (which we may already get this season) and then it will more realistic to judge after that. Then we can get one of these new up and coming managers in with a solid recruitment system in place.

 

[Bluepablo]

The goals v Leeds summed it up for me:

- Gueye crosses & we have one player in the box (who does really well to score as it was a half chance at best)
- The Leeds player crosses & there are 3 players in the box when they score
- When DCL hit the post there were 6 of their players attacking the box with 4 in it

I just don’t get what Moyes is trying to do or what he is coaching other than launching it forwards or hoping for some individual flair.

On the positive side he is a great at blocking passing lanes & stopping the other team playing.

Sure it will get you 40 points every year & may get Europe occasionally depending upon the quality of the other teams but there is little enjoyment & no hope of any type of success.

If you are happy with that then so be it. I would prefer some enjoyment & hope.

 

[blueboy72]

The goals v Leeds summed it up for me:

- Gueye crosses & we have one player in the box (who does really well to score as it was a half chance at best)
- The Leeds player crosses & there are 3 players in the box when they score
- When DCL hit the post there were 6 of their players attacking the box with 4 in it

I just don’t get what Moyes is trying to do or what he is coaching other than launching it forwards or hoping for some individual flair.

On the positive side he is a great at blocking passing lanes & stopping the other team playing.

Sure it will get you 40 points every year & may get Europe occasionally depending upon the quality of the other teams but there is little enjoyment & no hope of any type of success.

If you are happy with that then so be it. I would prefer some enjoyment & hope.

He killed us v Leeds first half, asking McNeil and Ndiaye at times
To track their wing backs,
So we basically had 4 defenders marking DCL. They had 3 on 2, sometimes
4 on 2, in midfield
Barry was isolated v 3 defenders and a he played a young kid out of position, trying to get him to cut off passing lanes and press a CB. It’s was embarrassing, Moyes is a coward full stop