2025/26 David Moyes

[Bluepablo]

The best manager we’ve had for the last 3 decades across 2 different spells.

But he’ll never be good enough or trendy enough for the cork sniffers amongst our fanbase sadly.

Martinez scored the most points in the last 3 decades so that would make him the best by an objective measure.

 

[Lanolin]

I'll be honest with you mate im bored to death with the Moyes thing now. In regards of picking him when we did. He was available at the time when the team was on its arse one point above the drop. Wether its time to say thanks for steadying the ship and move on is a possibilty.
But it goes a bit deeper than that for me. The recruitment needs to improve.
I put it out on here the other day to a poster who's very anti Moyes who would you give the job to. They never came up with any names. Some of the selections from others ive read are currently sitting below Moyes in the table.
Ive got no objection to changing the manager as long as they're better than what we've got.

The thing is, you'll never know whether they'll do better than we are do you? I'm sure everybody would swap if we knew for sure it would be better and nobody would swap if we knew for sure it would be worse, so that doesn't really get us anywhere. Personally I always find the idea that if you can't name someone who everyone in the world agrees would be better then your point is invalid to be a bit weird. I don't know who we should sign to play right back but that doesn't mean I'm happy with the current options.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Martinez scored the most points in the last 3 decades so that would make him the best by an objective measure.

You'd think final position for the season is more important as it actually provides more of a benefit to the club.

And it's true, as it is. The points haul was a good achievement, but it brought is no closer to the CL/big time. And also outed Martinez as a fraud.

 

[Gilbert..]

So we can’t appoint anyone below him in the league, so what about getting silva back or the Brentford manager, both above us.

To be honest, obviously I want better, but what I really want is a style that gets fans off their feet, a game plan a team that actually looks like it’s been coached. What ever you think of someone like Iraola, against Liverpool, who have a superior team and players, Bournemouth were under pressure in that 2nd half and had less than 30% possession. But when they got the ball, they tried to play quick passing and attack as a team, didn’t always work. But it wasn’t let’s boot up to the big lad abd hope we pick up the scraps. I have no clue what our identity is, what the plan is and what Moyes does at finch farm.

I’m so bored of watching the dross he serves up 9 weeks out of 10

Thats the crux of it. A lot are bored. I never said we cant appoint someone currently below him in the table. Iraola might well get you off your seat. I like his style. But they've not long since come of a 12 game no wins run conceding 27 goals. Thats more than Everton have conceded all season. Do you think Everton fans are gona sit there with the team leaking goals like a sieve not winning and go oh well at least its exciting. He'd get lynched.
Saying that id take a punt on him. But bournemouth are another club that their recruitment set up was there before Iraola.

 

[DanB90]

Martinez scored the most points in the last 3 decades so that would make him the best by an objective measure.

Finished 5th compared to Moyes’ 4th.
Then took a massive spiral leading to his rightful sacking.

 

[wandyr79]

He belatedly realised - or was told - that if we matched Leeds up like for like our superior players would make it work in our favour.

In-game Farke showed him a clean pair of heels again though when for the last 10 minutes or so he went to a flat back four and changed the match again to his own teams benefit and neutralised Everton's head of steam when looking for the winner.

Even a limited coach like Farke can match and even outwit our manager.

Moyes cant think clearly in a game. Look at how he turns to his coaches to tell him what's going on. Baines especially first half last game.

But the bigger issue is why we cant pass sharply and accurately to each other. Our players are no worse than Leeds - better overall in fact. So how are Leeds handing us a passing masterclass first half? I cant think of too many times we did that this season to other teams apart from Wolves and Bournemouth away.

Moyes cant put together a team that possesses the ball and moves it at pace. If we want to progress then we need a change of coach. Simple as that.

Part of what I am reading here is that Moyes has a team behind him and is willing to listen to them. Not sure how that is a bad thing, maybe even Farke was 'told' by somebody else to play that way, and/or change things in game. We dominated the 2nd half and it took until the last 5/10 minutes for Farke to change it to the point where they turned it around and only looked even remotely dangerous again in injury time.

'Look how he turns to his coaches' - So, any manager who talks to his coaches is now somebody who can't think clearly. Or, is it 'how' it is done. Unless you have a permanent camera on the dugout, not sure how much you can tell from this, by watching it on TV.

As said, the second half improved with the passing. Also, sometimes a player not playing well and not passing well is down to the player. Sometimes criticism can be put on both or just the player.

You don't like him and will look for anything to have a go, we get that. But, especially with the 'He talks to his coaches' argument, you come across as fully agenda based.

I think one thing from my point of view, I have never been a football fan who demands a certain style of play. Obviously, if a team is constantly losing then things need changing, but in the end all I want is to see a winning team, if that is more pragmatic then so be it. So, the fact that we are not giving a 'passing masterclass' to most teams, if not all teams, is not a concern to me. I saw a better performance in the 2nd half, that shows a decent level of management, tactical and man management as well.

 

[Timbucktoo]

Finished 5th compared to Moyes’ 4th.
Then took a massive spiral leading to his rightful sacking.

Bobby`s 5th was very impressive, just added a bit of confidence going forward, our best PL points haul and a very positive goal difference. Moyes 4th was achieved by the RS being absolute pants that season and with a negative goal difference, which a 7-0 hammering at Arsenal helped to achieve a day or so after 4th place was confirmed.

 

[blueboy72]

Thats the crux of it. A lot are bored. I never said we cant appoint someone currently below him in the table. Iraola might well get you off your seat. I like his style. But they've not long since come of a 12 game no wins run conceding 27 goals. Thats more than Everton have conceded all season. Do you think Everton fans are gona sit there with the team leaking goals like a sieve not winning and go oh well at least its exciting. He'd get lynched.
Saying that id take a punt on him. But bournemouth are another club that their recruitment set up was there before Iraola.

I’d rather watch us trying to attack than sitting back,
And Hardly committing any players forward. Like v Leeds and wolves and Sunderland in the cup.

To be fair Bournemouth have sold solanke, 3 of thier back 4 and now Semenyo in 18 months. And obviously not replaced with the same quality. What they had conceded in 23 games this season they conceded in 38 last season.

And for all what you say, goals conceded,
No wins in 12, selling their best players.
Letting Iraola go into the final year of his contract.
They are one win behind us. Im not saying I want Iraola, I just want something different as the football moyes is serving up is as dull as dishwater.

 

[blueboy72]

Bobby`s 5th was very impressive, just added a bit of confidence going forward, our best PL points haul and a very positive goal difference. Moyes 4th was achieved by the RS being absolute pants that season and with a negative goal difference, which a 7-0 hammering at Arsenal helped to achieve a day or so after 4th place was confirmed.

61 points got us 4th and 72 points got
Us 5th

 

[wandyr79]

Bobby`s 5th was very impressive, just added a bit of confidence going forward, our best PL points haul and a very positive goal difference. Moyes 4th was achieved by the RS being absolute pants that season and with a negative goal difference, which a 7-0 hammering at Arsenal helped to achieve a day or so after 4th place was confirmed.

The 4th was also achieved after finishing 17th, selling our best player and not really spending much of it at all on the playing staff.

So, there is a lot to analyse about both seasons. Both were great in their own way.

 

[Bluepablo]

Finished 5th compared to Moyes’ 4th.
Then took a massive spiral leading to his rightful sacking.

I don’t dispute he had major flaws & needed sacking but he also played the best football in 30 years in that one season.

 

[Rudolf Hucker]

Martinez scored the most points in the last 3 decades so that would make him the best by an objective measure.

Yes & 2 semi finals, narrowly beaten by the 2 most expensive squads in the country.


But he wore brown shoes & praised his players in public, so that’s too much for some.

 

[bicycleheader]

The best manager we’ve had for the last 3 decades across 2 different spells.

But he’ll never be good enough or trendy enough for the cork sniffers amongst our fanbase sadly.

We’ve gone over this before Dave.

It’s fine to call him a failure, but he’s less of a failure than everyone who’s been here since.

Cmon. You obviously completely understand why Moyes isn't rated by other fans if your praise of him is being the least worst of our managers to not win a trophy these last 30yrs.

So why are these fans cork-sniffers? Apart from Dave. I dunno what a cork-sniffer is but I'd imagine he is one

 

[Lanolin]

Part of what I am reading here is that Moyes has a team behind him and is willing to listen to them. Not sure how that is a bad thing, maybe even Farke was 'told' by somebody else to play that way, and/or change things in game. We dominated the 2nd half and it took until the last 5/10 minutes for Farke to change it to the point where they turned it around and only looked even remotely dangerous again in injury time.

'Look how he turns to his coaches' - So, any manager who talks to his coaches is now somebody who can't think clearly. Or, is it 'how' it is done. Unless you have a permanent camera on the dugout, not sure how much you can tell from this, by watching it on TV.

As said, the second half improved with the passing. Also, sometimes a player not playing well and not passing well is down to the player. Sometimes criticism can be put on both or just the player.

You don't like him and will look for anything to have a go, we get that. But, especially with the 'He talks to his coaches' argument, you come across as fully agenda based.

I think one thing from my point of view, I have never been a football fan who demands a certain style of play. Obviously, if a team is constantly losing then things need changing, but in the end all I want is to see a winning team, if that is more pragmatic then so be it. So, the fact that we are not giving a 'passing masterclass' to most teams, if not all teams, is not a concern to me. I saw a better performance in the 2nd half, that shows a decent level of management, tactical and man management as well.

We obviously never know with these things, but my take on Monday was that Leeds decided to hold on to what they had in the second half rather than us dominating them to such an extent that they couldn't get out. It looked like they backed themselves to go to two banks of four and make it difficult for us in order to hold on to a 1-0 win. Once we got level they decided to have another go at trying to nick it and caused us problems again. It's similar to what we did against Forest away, on the face of it it looked like they had us penned in and were battering the door down but I'd be pretty confident in saying that was just our tactical set up and we were content to let them do it.

 

[Rudolf Hucker]

I don’t dispute he had major flaws & needed sacking but he also played the best football in 30 years in that one season.

He had a paper thin squad though. Just imagine if he’d had half the funds we spunked on Koeman?