2025/26 David Moyes

At what point does his position start to come under real threat? If we get knocked out tomorrow? If we finish bottom half at the end of the season?
I get there was a rebuilding job to do when he came in, but if we want to keep the likes of Ndiaye and Branthwaite, we need to be showing them we’re on an upward trajectory, not accepting mediocrity, failing to address glaring weaknesses and regularly setting up to play negative football.

He would have to go on a comically bad run that put us in danger. Anything north of that, he's here until summer at least and most likely next summer as well. I think only qualifying for Europe would see him stay past his current contract, though.

With all that said, if we have a mediocre 2nd half of the season, and there is someone out there the owners have their eye on, I think they'd be proactive in making the change.
 
I don’t care the name of the manager I just want to see more positive play and not putting players out of position and unbalancing the team.
Especially changing winning teams for no reason, for the League cup or post the Forest win
AFCON is also no surprise.
So buying players and not slowly bedding them in during the run up to AFCON is also short sighted.
Those points are the reason I unhappy with the manager, regardless who it is.
 
1st question in the Brentford presser was about the panel saying we should have had a pen vs Arsenal and what was his thoughts on it…… he gave the most insipid, passive reply possible, basically they’re doing their best and it’s swings and roundabouts. Nothing about the hand ball (on another day / another badge) against Forest.
Just wait until the next one that actually costs us and he’s seething about referees inconsistency…
☝️ 2nd Jan that was from.
Just watching his cup presser from last night and its making my blood boil listening to him go on about refereeing, he was given to chance to get on the front foot about how we’re being treated a week ago, but was too busy patting them on the head the massive meff
 
I’m still Moyes-in, because he’s stable, and we need that after the last few years.

However he, the squad, and the club, have completely thrown away this season in the space of a couple of weeks.

The weak is as league as it’s ever looked and we just seem happy doing naff all despite this.

….the loss of Ndiaye and in particular KDH must have a huge impact, particularly at home where we’re struggling to break teams down.

Where Moyes et al need challenging is in the expensive acquisition of Barry and Dibling who I’m sure have not had the impact the club expected.
 
That isn't really the point I was making. The post was in the context of people effectively saying 'well it's better than the last couple of years what more do you want' you plebs' as if it's outrageous for people to actually want to be entertained and enjoy going to matches. I don't ever expect to see Everton win the league in my lifetime, I made my peace with that a long time ago, but seeing people say the club needs a period of stability and we all need to just accept it is frustrating because that's not what being a football fan is supposed to be about. We're supposed to want them to win and be frustrated when they don't, that's normal behaviour. I go to games hoping to enjoy them in the moment, not to endure them with a view to possibly enjoying them at some point in the future.

It works both ways, just because I want to believe we are going to do things right this time, instead of another roundabout of failures,
Doesn't change the fact of what is in front of me on the field, some of the football is so drab, the slow build up, the decision making on the subs.
The constant playing of certain players..

The complete divide of the fanbase.

I doubt that is lost on any fan that says the right progression we need starts with a good base to work from. Which obviously does come with some kind of patience.

Ive said before we will know after the next 2 windows what is really going on.

Just because 2 people have different insights on something, doesn't mean you don't want the same outcome.

If the owners back Kinear first and foremost and he is finding it to hard to please Moyes, the Summer window will give us the answer.
 
I’m still Moyes-in, because he’s stable, and we need that after the last few years.

However he, the squad, and the club, have completely thrown away this season in the space of a couple of weeks.

The weak is as league as it’s ever looked and we just seem happy doing naff all despite this.

If we get beat tomorrow, defo. The entire league has been up and down all season though, I think we'll still have a chance of qualifying for the Conference League come April. But yeah, wouldn't be putting any money it.
 
….the loss of Ndiaye and in particular KDH must have a huge impact, particularly at home where we’re struggling to break teams down.

Where Moyes et al need challenging is in the expensive acquisition of Barry and Dibling who I’m sure have not had the impact the club expected.

Losing players is just part of every club's season and whilst they are very important the rest of the players need to step up and they were a disgrace the other night. Look absolutely petrified to play at home.
 
I don’t care the name of the manager I just want to see more positive play and not putting players out of position and unbalancing the team.
Especially changing winning teams for no reason, for the League cup or post the Forest win
AFCON is also no surprise.
So buying players and not slowly bedding them in during the run up to AFCON is also short sighted.
Those points are the reason I unhappy with the manager, regardless who it is.

I just don’t understand why McNeil Keane Tarkowksi Mykolenko O’Brien Gana can make whatever silly errors they want. Grealish did a stupid back heel on his own goal line v Wolves then gets sent off for dissent. We’ve had hair pulls, handballs, back passes, careless playing out, mis timed lunges, hitting your own player, having zero positional sense, chasing the ball like a school boy, and aimless running down blind alleyways. That’s all fine apparently.

But the second Dibling loses the ball, it’s all this over exasperated heads in hands and arms up from the manager followed by him getting hooked at half time. Alcaraz is just generally not liked for no known reason as he seems a hard worker who always tries even when not playing well. Patterson is met with utter revilement every time he’s mentioned. Barry is spoken about like he wasn’t signed by the manager, and Aznou is spoken about like he isn’t even a footballer. Rohl has gone from well liked to behind Armstrong after one bad game. Meanwhile we have kids on the bench who are clearly never going to play a single minute for us.

We have two fullbacks at the club in Patterson and Aznou who effectively won’t be used by the manager despite us having a massive fullback issue. God forbid we played Patterson at right back or even tried Aznou there when we can just stick with a known liability in O’Brien instead.

We have two midfielders in Rohl and Alcaraz both bought in the summer neither of whom the manager trusts as first choice.

We have a 40 mill pound wide player that the manager doesn’t like

Plus two strikers for a combined worth of 50 mill plus and Moyes actually likes the one he didn’t buy that the club would actually like to move on but is seemingly being forced to play the one we spent a ton on in the summer.

It’s a bit ridiculous. Managers should maximise the resources they have. It was stupid of Dyche to keep O’Brien on the bench and it’s stupid what Moyes is doing now. Players make mistakes, at least young ones have a chance to develop from them and learn from them. The senior players I’ve listed will just keep making them and will make more and more as they get older and slower.
 
The other issue with the summer recruitment is this. The below is probably Moyes’a favourite starting 11 if everyone is fit (perhaps debate over Barry/Beto)

Pickford

OBrien Tarkwoski Branthwaite Mykolenko

Garner Gueye KDH

Ndiaye Barry Grealish



The issue is that there’s only 3 players in that 11 who are Moyes signings, and only two if Beto starts ahead of Barry. One of them is also on loan.

It means the money shelled out for Dibling Alcaraz Rohl Aznou is close to 80 mill on some players who aren’t even first sub off the bench (McNeil favoured over Dibling, Iroegbunam over Rohl, anyone over Aznou)

Most managers tend to favour their own new signings but we’ve got a situation where Moyes seemingly prefers the players already here some of whom we know are not good enough.
 
I just don’t understand why McNeil Keane Tarkowksi Mykolenko O’Brien Gana can make whatever silly errors they want. Grealish did a stupid back heel on his own goal line v Wolves then gets sent off for dissent. We’ve had hair pulls, handballs, back passes, careless playing out, mis timed lunges, hitting your own player, having zero positional sense, chasing the ball like a school boy, and aimless running down blind alleyways. That’s all fine apparently.

But the second Dibling loses the ball, it’s all this over exasperated heads in hands and arms up from the manager followed by him getting hooked at half time. Alcaraz is just generally not liked for no known reason as he seems a hard worker who always tries even when not playing well. Patterson is met with utter revilement every time he’s mentioned. Barry is spoken about like he wasn’t signed by the manager, and Aznou is spoken about like he isn’t even a footballer. Rohl has gone from well liked to behind Armstrong after one bad game. Meanwhile we have kids on the bench who are clearly never going to play a single minute for us.

We have two fullbacks at the club in Patterson and Aznou who effectively won’t be used by the manager despite us having a massive fullback issue. God forbid we played Patterson at right back or even tried Aznou there when we can just stick with a known liability in O’Brien instead.

We have two midfielders in Rohl and Alcaraz both bought in the summer neither of whom the manager trusts as first choice.

We have a 40 mill pound wide player that the manager doesn’t like

Plus two strikers for a combined worth of 50 mill plus and Moyes actually likes the one he didn’t buy that the club would actually like to move on but is seemingly being forced to play the one we spent a ton on in the summer.

It’s a bit ridiculous. Managers should maximise the resources they have. It was stupid of Dyche to keep O’Brien on the bench and it’s stupid what Moyes is doing now. Players make mistakes, at least young ones have a chance to develop from them and learn from them. The senior players I’ve listed will just keep making them and will make more and more as they get older and slower.

Now that was a very refreshing read..

Win tomorrow and we can aim for a cup run.

Seriously need some joy on here.
 
I would love to win the poxy european trophy, and moyes knows how to win it.
I dont want us to be even in it to win it.

I have no desire in watching Everton play some 5-6th best team in the Swiss/Norwegian league on a Thursday night.
In the meantime it affects our league campaign, we barely have enough of a squad to cope with the PL.

Its completely a diluted to the dregs of European football, that its probably about Championship standard or worse for 80% of the teams.
European football is about the best of each country competing not this nonsense.
 
I don't fully fathom the season is over comments the table is still extremely tight and we're still only off the top spots by a couple of points , the last two matches have been disappointing but there's still a possibility we can finish in the top half especially with some of our more skilled players set to return. Moyes needs to become aware of his detrimental patterns such as favoring the same failing players and we could still be in contention for top half finish
 
Davey has gone head first down the var/reffing rabbit hole as a massive deflection for the awful home performances the last week.

Instead of looking out and blaming everyone else, it’s time for some self reflection, self auditing and some accountability about the things he can affect and change.

Get a grip and get the season back on track - it’s all still there for us in the cup and this crappy premier league. Sadly, I very much doubt he and the players (and some supporters it seems) want it enough.
 
That isn't really the point I was making. The post was in the context of people effectively saying 'well it's better than the last couple of years what more do you want' you plebs' as if it's outrageous for people to actually want to be entertained and enjoy going to matches. I don't ever expect to see Everton win the league in my lifetime, I made my peace with that a long time ago, but seeing people say the club needs a period of stability and we all need to just accept it is frustrating because that's not what being a football fan is supposed to be about. We're supposed to want them to win and be frustrated when they don't, that's normal behaviour. I go to games hoping to enjoy them in the moment, not to endure them with a view to possibly enjoying them at some point in the future.
Oh yeah that’s nonsense. What’s happening now, and what happened under Dyche, is a choice we’re making. We could just wake up and stop making it.
 

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