2025/26 David Moyes

[GrandOldTeam]

Part of it? Sure, how much is part of it?

Frankly, all we were told was he signed off on every signing. I highly doubt any of them besides Grealish and KDH were his first choice.

"Should be an upgrade" doesn't make them so does it?

The fact is you only identified Grealish and KDH as improvements because those are the ONLY improvements. Massively upgraded this squad is not.

Expectations should raise, but how much when we are a year removed from being perennial relegation battlers and most of the signings that "should be an upgrade" have turned out not be.

After points earned of 12th and 13th the last 2 seasons, and margins involved I think top 10 is a fair expectation. The manager spoke of Europe as the aim, and the club captain was the other week.

 

[Efcjake]

After points earned of 12th and 13th the last 2 seasons, and margins involved I think top 10 is a fair expectation. The manager spoke of Europe as the aim, and the club captain was the other week.

At the moment we look good for top 10.

It certainly isn't out of reach. No need for any panic stations yet.

 

[PercyPlant]

Thread is being dominated by a handful of posters who went in so absurdly hard on Dyche that they’ve now lost grip of reality and can’t accept even reasonable questioning of the current manager. It’s just from one extreme to another.

From ‘no excuses’ to getting hysterical if anyone suggests the squad might have improved after pouring 100 mill plus into it and we maybe shouldn’t getting absolutely annihilated by Brentford at home.

I didn’t go hard on Moyes or Dyche. Dyche did a decent job from where he found us and Moyes is doing an equally good job from where he found us (again) simple as that.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Stop moaning about Dyche, this is the Moyes thread.

Case in point. You’re the worst of them. On here policing everyone’s expectations all of a sudden.

 

[windymiller]

At the moment we look good for top 10.

It certainly isn't out of reach. No need for any panic stations yet.

That would be my criteria if I was TFG. Top half and a decent run in the FA cup. It's all still possible, it's up to Moyes. If he doesn't achieve that then it's not so different from season two Dyche, and then TFG would have to take a look at the situation with Moyes entering the last year of his contract.

 

[Efcjake]

Case in point. You’re the worst of them. On here policing everyone’s expectations all of a sudden.

I'm not policing anything just pointing out the ridiculousness of people demanding we compete for Europe because we had our first positive transfer spend in half a decade.

 

[Efcjake]

That would be my criteria if I was TFG. Top half and a decent run in the FA cup. It's all still possible, it's up to Moyes. If he doesn't achieve that then it's not so different from season two Dyche, and then TFG would have to take a look at the situation with Moyes entering the last year of his contract.

I can't see failing to achieve either or both objectives being enough to push them to sack Moyes.

The fact is the only manager they have sacked here came to them begging to be paid off after telling them he couldn't do the job. He wasn't let go because he didn't achieve an objective so we don't really know anything yet about what the Friedkin's will or will not consider acceptable.

Instead we have lots of people speculating what they will do based on whether the poster does or does not like Moyes.

 

[Gilbert..]

I'm very clearly on the record as not liking Moyes. West Ham have clearly gone backwards since he left, I'll give you that one but he was a disaster at Man Utd and both Van Gaal and Mourinho did better than Moyes so, by your own criteria, clearly outlined in your new thread, as they improved both league position and cup wins on the manager that came before then we saw a regression from Ferguson to Moyes followed by a progression after he left. So acknowledgement at West Ham, no acknowledgement on Man Utd. Fair?

Moyes had a higher win rate than louis van gaal. 51 games, 53%. Van gaal 103 games 52%. In my opinion Moyes took the poisoned chalice going in straight after Ferguson. He was on a hiding to nothing from the start.
They've all had a go at United since. None of them have come out smelling of roses.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I'm not policing anything just pointing out the ridiculousness of people demanding we compete for Europe because we had our first positive transfer spend in half a decade.

No one is demanding we compete in Europe. You were having a hissy fit because people said the Friedkins would be assessing Moyes’s performance against targets this summer, like it was the craziest idea in the world when his contract is up in 18 months. Trying to blag everyone that there’s no improvement in a squad that’s had over 100 mill poured into it and has Grealish KDH and Dibling in it, and that fans are being negative if they claim that maybe we could beat Forest before the match (which we did).

You’re single-handedly dumbing down expectations more than anyone else on here

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Some really are trying too hard here aren't they to paint a bleak picture.
No middle ground at all.

Well that certainly sounds like the internet

 

[willo30]

As I asked yesterday, youre saying they'll invest in u21 players and also loans.

How about the likes of KDH? Also the Rohl and Barry types u23?

Are the owners not concerned that the younger players will be ignored and underused by Moyes?

As others have said, it seems an odd choice of manager if they want to invest in youth. Those players will lose alot from working with him.

Still, that strategy with a manager keen on developing younger players would be fabulous.



I dont hate Moyes though I can see why West Ham fans would have had enough of a manager frequently shipping 3's, 4's and 5's in goals against.

Meanwhile looking at their ageing squad and wondering what he had in store for them next.

Pretty much how Sunderland fans felt before he relegated them with a bunch of ageing Everton cast offs and poor players he signed.

Yes there will be older players as well to improve the squad like KDH but remember he wasn't 1st choice for us even though it's worked out. If I recall correctly we were after Douglas Luiz and James McAtee before him. Rohl is basically on trial and going to be from next years funds and Barry wasn't meant to be getting much game time but the failure of Beto and to get another striker in forced their hand.

Moyes is here for stability. Something we've wanted for years but never give any manager the chance to do it due to wanting instant success.
A new hip manager now and it could all go pear shaped.
These new owners are holding their nerve and are confident it will pay off.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

I doubt he’s the long term solution regardless of how well he does

He’s here to consolidate and then they’ll replace him in a year or two

 

[matty1878]

But almost the entire forum was absolutely insistent that we were massively underperforming 12 months ago, and the board seemed to agree because they sacked the manager. Since then we've massively upgraded the squad and expectations have changed. It's not like there are protests at the game and loads of long threads about how we need to sack the manager and who we should replace with like we see fairly regularly on here, it's just people having a bit of a moan about a poor run of form, it's about the most normal football fan behaviour imaginable to be honest, why are people getting so precious about it?

We’ve not MASSIVELY upgraded it mate
It’s just better but needs to get MORE better we’ve had one window

 

[windymiller]

I can't see failing to achieve either or both objectives being enough to push them to sack Moyes.

The fact is the only manager they have sacked here came to them begging to be paid off after telling them he couldn't do the job. He wasn't let go because he didn't achieve an objective so we don't really know anything yet about what the Friedkin's will or will not consider acceptable.

Instead we have lots of people speculating what they will do based on whether the poster does or does not like Moyes.

I have absolutely no idea what TFG are thinking or what their plan is more broadly for this football club. I very much doubt anyone who posts on here has any real insights, TFG aren't exactly forthcoming. The pessimist in me (and I think you know that is the biggest part - OK, second biggest!) worries that as long as we stay in the division they are happy for us to just chug along. If that is the case and we finish 12th this season (that's where I think we will finish) then we'll probably know as they will likely extend Moyes' contract as having a manager with limited time on their contract is rarely a positive in terms of performance. If we finish higher than that it will be harder to deduce their plans. If we do no better than Dyche season two, then I would want to move Moyes on, that wouldn't be progress in my opinion and to stand still is to die in this league. I admit I don't like Moyes for a variety of reasons but I would be interested to know what minimum expectations are for those who do like him because it seems to be a bit of a moveable feast to me.

 

[Toffeepot]

One thing I like about Moyes
He seems to prefer 1 Win 1 Loss to 2 miserable and usually lucky draws like the last lad

Going to bounce back tomorrow like we did after Newcastle humbled us the last time Keane was rushed back when Moyes 'had doubts about him', which happens to be a thing I don't like about Moyes.