2025/26 David Moyes

[PercyPlant]

I'm very clearly on the record as not liking Moyes. West Ham have clearly gone backwards since he left, I'll give you that one but he was a disaster at Man Utd and both Van Gaal and Mourinho did better than Moyes so, by your own criteria, clearly outlined in your new thread, as they improved both league position and cup wins on the manager that came before then we saw a regression from Ferguson to Moyes followed by a progression after he left. So acknowledgement at West Ham, no acknowledgement on Man Utd. Fair?

Moyes time at United needs context. It’s absolute fact he wanted Fabregas and Bale an all he got was Felliani on deadline day, which is ridiculous considering he was managing league champions.

 

[windymiller]

Moyes time at United needs context. It’s absolute fact he wanted Fabregas and Bale an all he got was Felliani on deadline day, which is ridiculous considering he was managing league champions.

I had a feeling you would change your own criteria for David Moyes. As for the transfer situation, there is a big parallel to the stories coming out of Finch Farm this summer, maybe Mr Moyes needs to be more realistic about who he can attract to a club.

 

[Titus Bramble]

I mean, to me 2 significant upgrades to your starting XI is a significant upgrade to your squad, even ignoring the fact that you’d say spending another £100m should also mean the wider squad has improved. The context here is increased expectations from thinking we should be aiming for 11th or 12th to thinking we should be aiming for 8th-10th, nobody’s claiming we’ve got the best squad in the world and have improved in every single position, that’s just a weird straw man argument being thrown about to try to help a pretty ropey argument.

Maybe we're getting down to semantics. I agree the squad has improved, but not significantly. I think the fact that losing 2x players to AFCON and an injury to KDH pretty much leaving us down to the bear bones reinforces that.

Being on 28 points at this stage of the season is there or there abouts on par with what I was expecting this season... over the last 5 years or so 28 points from 20 games has typically left you sitting somewhere between 8th and 11th.

I still feel a new starting LB and RB could have a huge impact on our play and really get us climbing up the table.

 

[Curtis]

Really pleased he came through the game. I wish he had gone off after 10 mins tbh

Was that his only metric for the game in regards to Keane? Not the actual performance, just if Keane didn't re-aggravate his injury? Why is he so obsessed about the availability of a player if they're not playing well?

 

[MikeH72]

I did not admit that at all, and I'm not sure how you have got that from what I wrote. It's weird that you refuse to accept that winning a trophy as part of a collection of achievements can add up to doing a reasonable job simply because it is harder to win a cup with one club over another. I can acknowledge that it was a good achievement for Moyes to win that cup, I don't think it is a huge achievement but it is good and I'd be thrilled if Moyes could do something similar here, it certainly wasn't the reason Moyes got the sack at West Ham. I have explained my Moyes comment, it was to head off this sort of bizarre discussion where winning the trophy is a monumental achievement for one manager but a complete irrelevance for another (is that what you are implying?), in that regard I have clearly failed. Once again, however, my OP wasn't even about Moyes but I realise that any, even an off handed, slight of David Moyes will now be met with your righteous fury. I remember when you used to mock @Saint Domingo for this sort of stuff when he did it for Dyche. Weird.

You have once again just repeated, in a very long format this time, that you were comparing Maresca winning the Conference League to Moyes winning the Conference League. Each time you word it differently, you just end up saying the same thing. This discussion definitely doesn’t need to go any further.

 

[windymiller]

You have once again just repeated, in a very long format this time, that you were comparing Maresca winning the Conference League to Moyes winning the Conference League. Each time you word it differently, you just end up saying the same thing. This discussion definitely doesn’t need to go any further.

No, I didn't. You saying that I did over and over again doesn't make it true. I am also happy to end this weird circular discussion.

 

[PercyPlant]

I had a feeling you would change your own criteria for David Moyes. As for the transfer situation, there is a big parallel to the stories coming out of Finch Farm this summer, maybe Mr Moyes needs to be more realistic about who he can attract to a club.

Or maybe we should be more realistic about our expectations? We’ve been utter fodder since he left, if Moyes took over Moyes I’d be 100% with you. This is the first season in a 1/2 a decade I can absolutely guarantee you we won’t be in a final day relegation battle.

 

[blueboy72]

Really? How did it work for Man Utd, Sunderland and West Ham? Maybe it just highlights the fact that managers can only improve things to a certain point. Once your at or near optimal levels for the players you have you have to upgrade your personnel.

You can have Guardiola managing a crap team and, at the end of the day, they will still be crap with improvements at the margins.

Big Sam kept Sunderland up. And Man Utd have won trophies since Moyes left. Moyes ain’t the only manager in the last 20yrs to get West Ham in Europe. Like he’s not the only Everton mananger to do that as well.
This how did it work out for Sunderland, Utd and West Ham is such a bizarre shout. Sunderland fans can’t stand him for one. Or Utd fans

 

[blueboy72]

Or maybe we should be more realistic about our expectations? We’ve been utter fodder since he left, if Moyes took over Moyes I’d be 100% with you. This is the first season in a 1/2 a decade I can absolutely guarantee you we won’t be in a final day relegation battle.

We’ve been in 1 final day relegation battle in 27 yrs

 

[PercyPlant]

We’ve been in 1 final day relegation battle in 27 yrs

Please re read what I just said and think about it before responding.

 

[windymiller]

Or maybe we should be more realistic about our expectations? We’ve been utter fodder since he left, if Moyes took over Moyes I’d be 100% with you. This is the first season in a 1/2 a decade I can absolutely guarantee you we won’t be in a final day relegation battle.

I completely agree with you that Moyes represents progress over Dyche, only a fool would argue otherwise. Dyche was a blight on this football club and he's turning an exciting squad at Notts Forest into a haunted dirge ball side that can't score goals, so it's not just here.

Both what you are saying and what I am saying can both be true, we as a fan base could have more realistic expectations and David Moyes could be more realistic with where we are as a club and who he is as a manager in terms of attractiveness to new recruits.

 

[PercyPlant]

I completely agree with you that Moyes represents progress over Dyche, only a fool would argue otherwise. Dyche was a blight on this football club and he's turning an exciting squad at Notts Forest into a haunted dirge ball side that can't score goals, so it's not just here.

Both what you are saying and what I am saying can both be true, we as a fan base could have more realistic expectations and David Moyes could be more realistic with where we are as a club and who he is as a manager in terms of attractiveness to new recruits.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Thread is being dominated by a handful of posters who went in so absurdly hard on Dyche that they’ve now lost grip of reality and can’t accept even reasonable questioning of the current manager. It’s just from one extreme to another.

From ‘no excuses’ to getting hysterical if anyone suggests the squad might have improved after pouring 100 mill plus into it and we maybe shouldn’t getting absolutely annihilated by Brentford at home.

 

[Efcjake]

But part of that is on Moyes isn’t? Signing a new striker for £27m (to replace someone you spent every day for years whining about) should be upgrading the squad shouldn’t it? Signing a new full back to replace Ashley young who 99% of the forum claimed only ever played because of dyche and was an embarrassment to the club should have been an upgrade. Committing to signing a midfielder for a higher cost than any of those already on the books should be an upgrade. £50m on dibling and Alcaraz to replace the loan of Jesper (no goals or assists for 3 years across 3 different clubs) lindstrom. If they aren’t upgrades, what on earth is the manager doing signing off on them?

Again, this isnt to stick the knife into Moyes, it’s just to highlight the ridiculousness of claiming expectations shouldn’t have risen in comparison to the last couple of years.

Part of it? Sure, how much is part of it?

Frankly, all we were told was he signed off on every signing. I highly doubt any of them besides Grealish and KDH were his first choice.

"Should be an upgrade" doesn't make them so does it?

The fact is you only identified Grealish and KDH as improvements because those are the ONLY improvements. Massively upgraded this squad is not.

Expectations should raise, but how much when we are a year removed from being perennial relegation battlers and most of the signings that "should be an upgrade" have turned out not be.

 

[Efcjake]

Thread is being dominated by a handful of posters who went in so absurdly hard on Dyche that they’ve now lost grip of reality and can’t accept even reasonable questioning of the current manager. It’s just from one extreme to another.

From ‘no excuses’ to getting hysterical if anyone suggests the squad might have improved after pouring 100 mill plus into it and we maybe shouldn’t getting absolutely annihilated by Brentford at home.

Stop moaning about Dyche, this is the Moyes thread.