David Moyes/Everton Big Game Mentality

[Connor Crossland]

We would of been 4th right now if we would have beaten Wigan away, QPR away, Reading away, Nowich away, Villa home, Newcastle home etc. You get my point we have thrown away stupid games like this and that is the reason we are not 4th this season, you couldn't have thought we were still getting 4th even before the Sunderland match, no chance.

 

[Khalekan]

Disagree, after those 2 games were out of the way Sunderland became more important imo.

Correct.

Those games were "bigger" but no one expected us to emerge unbeaten from the pair of them.

The fact we picked up a point in each of them was a double fillip.....it also robbed both those two teams of two extra points. A loss in any one of those games would have cooked our CL goose for certain.


Spurs and Chelsea both have very loseable fixtures today.

Ergo when we went to the north east yesterday the CL was a more likely possibility than it was before we went to Spurs.

In this type of situation every game takes on greater import than the one preceeding it.

And yesterday, with the pressure back on, EFC shot itself in the foot.

Again.

 

[noharmdone]

We would of been 4th right now if we would have beaten Wigan away, QPR away, Reading away, Nowich away, Villa home, Newcastle home etc. You get my point we have thrown away stupid games like this and that is the reason we are not 4th this season, you couldn't have thought we were still getting 4th even before the Sunderland match, no chance.

We should have won the league then ?

 

[scottym]

We would of been 4th right now if we would have beaten Wigan away, QPR away, Reading away, Nowich away, Villa home, Newcastle home etc. You get my point we have thrown away stupid games like this and that is the reason we are not 4th this season, you couldn't have thought we were still getting 4th even before the Sunderland match, no chance.

Yeah I know we've thrown away a lot of stupid points away at small teams in typical Everton fashion but to say we weren't in with a shot of 4th before the Sunderland game is a bit daft. Could have been 2 points off now with Chelsea away at Liverpool today and Spurs against City. Both games which could easily have went in our favour.

 

[Connor Crossland]

We should have won the league then ?

no, of course not, but i'm just making an example of the games we have managed to f*** up this season

 

[Connor Crossland]

Yeah I know we've thrown away a lot of stupid points away at small teams in typical Everton fashion but to say we weren't in with a shot of 4th before the Sunderland game is a bit daft. Could have been 2 points off now with Chelsea away at Liverpool today and Spurs against City. Both games which could easily have went in our favour.

realistically mate we wouldn't of got it we still had the s**** away who we are going to get beat by and chelsea away and they are playing good atm

 

[Seamus Colemole]

We just have a bad habit of playing absolutely bloody awful in certain games, usually cup games when we have a good chance of winning that cup, or league games against gash teams.

Obviously we also have a good habit of playing absolutely brilliant at home against better teams than us too.

 

[Khalekan]

Two games spring to mind which I pit down to Moyes pure and simple.

At Fulham and at Norwich.

Five points were just chucked away there due to his negative substitutions in the closing stages.

Then there was Victor's "goal" at home to the Barcodes back in August.

Two points robbed from us by incompetent officials.

All those other games are just things that hapen as a season ebbs and flows.

But Moyes cost us five points at Fulham and Norwich.....the officials cost us two points at home to Newcastle.

We should have been sitting today with an extra seven points.

But.....c'est la vie.

 

[Allezfan]

Neither Sunderland or wigan were in any way big games, as would have been entirely clear if we'd won them. It's sad that our fanbase are so short of glory that they try and project bigness onto a quarterfinal and a routine league fixture.

We needed to beat sunderland to keep up with the chase, yes, but no more then we needed to beat qpr, stoke, newcastle, sswansea, villa, sunderland, reading, southampton and all the other clubs we did beat and no more then we needed to beat norwich, southampton, swansea, fulham, newcastle and all the teams we didn't beat. We're out of the race for europe because over a season we haven't won enough games. Every game is a big game or, more sensibly, no game is.

Same with wigan. It was a cup game we needed to win but no bigger than bolton or oldham which we did win.

If in the last of week of the season we'd faced up to chelsea with a chance to get CL football and man city in a final, those would be big games and we could sit back and judge our team and how we did in big games to hearts content. (I would guess given our record in derbies and our performance in the one actual big game of Moye's time here that we'd be awful in big games, btw.)

But right now whether or not we're big game bottlers is entirely hypothetical because we don't win enough small games (like sunderland and wigan) to allow us to find out.

 

[Titus Bramble]

We've won plenty of 'big' games this season, we've won bigger games than yesterday this season. And anyway, every game is a big game in this league. It's funny how everytime we lose (which is becoming quite infrequent it must be said) this argument springs up again.

 

[Khalekan]

True, we don't lose many gamses this season, but that is a misleading statistic.

We draw far too many games and the fact is, a team is better losing one game in two and winning the other than it is "not losing" both of them by drawing.

You wind up with one point extra even if your stats show fewer defeats.

 

[Titus Bramble]

Two games spring to mind which I pit down to Moyes pure and simple.

At Fulham and at Norwich.

Five points were just chucked away there due to his negative substitutions in the closing stages.

Then there was Victor's "goal" at home to the Barcodes back in August.

Two points robbed from us by incompetent officials.

All those other games are just things that hapen as a season ebbs and flows.

But Moyes cost us five points at Fulham and Norwich.....the officials cost us two points at home to Newcastle.

We should have been sitting today with an extra seven points.

But.....c'est la vie.

I agree with all of that, except the Fulham game. We should have been 3 up at half time and out of sight. We didn't beat Fulham due to very poor finishing.

 

[Titus Bramble]

True, we don't lose many gamses this season, but that is a misleading statistic.

We draw far too many games and the fact is, a team is better losing one game in two and winning the other than it is "not losing" both of them by drawing.

You wind up with one point extra even if your stats show fewer defeats.

True, but the argument is that we lost those 2 'big' games.

 

[Chang Elephant]

Moyes will show this to be wrong when he goes to United..

Love to see Moyes at Utd, their fans heads would explode at the negativity and favouritism to ****e players.

 

[dannyboy]

Love to see Moyes at Utd, their fans heads would explode at the negativity and favouritism to ****e players.

Which players did Moyes favour yesterday?