Cup run or Table run?

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well if we get 4th , next season we would be playing a lot more games , and knowing the board we will only get players by selling , so our squad is not big enough for anything
 
In an ideal situation I would probably take 4th place and no trophies over 5th/6th and a trophy. Playing Champions League football is vital to progress to the next level.
 
Artetafan said:
Except all our rivals are playing in europe and the world club cup and the league cup and the fa cup etc.

We can afford those six games because we're already about ten games ahead. And winning leads to more winning. A good cup win can raise the whole club which is way our best league form under Moyes has often conincided with our best cup runs.

If you can prove a link between winning cup games and losing the following league games in Moyes everton I will be shocked.
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It's not just Moyes' Everton, it's football overall. Look at Chelsea last year when they won the Champions League - only to finish easily outside the top four in the league. Look at Newcastle this season - Europa League run, combined with a relegation battle with half the side crocked.

The term "European hangover" has been defined off the back of an over-congested fixture list. The same logic applies to domestic cups - the more congested your fixture list is, the worse your general performances come. That's just common sense; especially when you have a squad which consists of about 15 senior first team players like we do.

If we play a youth team against Cheltenham, we have a 10 day rest between the Newcastle game and the Swansea game. If we play a first team, you have a game inbetween interrupting the schedule and only 5 days to the next Premier League game.

It's a no brainer for me.
 
How often do the FA cup and CL finalists finishh off the pace in the league? Not often. In recent times it's always the top four who play the most games and the other teams don't take advantage. Hence why there's been so many doubles and trebles of late.

And is 10 days rest better than 5 days rest. When does rest stop being useful and start just making you rusty?
 
Artetafan said:
How often do the FA cup and CL finalists finishh off the pace in the league? Not often. In recent times it's always the top four who play the most games and the other teams don't take advantage. Hence why there's been so many doubles and trebles of late.

And is 10 days rest better than 5 days rest. When does rest stop being useful and start just making you rusty?
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Maybe this is why we always turn it on in January, like.
 
Artetafan said:
How often do the FA cup and CL finalists finishh off the pace in the league? Not often. In recent times it's always the top four who play the most games and the other teams don't take advantage. Hence why there's been so many doubles and trebles of late.

And is 10 days rest better than 5 days rest. When does rest stop being useful and start just making you rusty?
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Liverpool finished 5th when they won the Champions League, and there's been one winner of the Double in the last 10 years.
 
Tubey said:
Liverpool finished 5th when they won the Champions League, and there's been one winner of the Double in the last 10 years.
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In the last ten years Man U have always finished in the top 3 and won 5 leagues, while also reaching nine finals and 13 semi finals. Their last three champions league finals came in years they also won the league.

Arsenal reached 4 FA Cup finals and one semi in five years and that was their best period in the league too, with 2 1sts and 3 2nds which is vastly better than the years since when they haven't had those cup runs. The three finals and seven semis they've reached since then hasn't stopped them finishing 4th either.

Chelsea reached seven finals and eleven semis in seven years and won three league and never finshed lower than 3rd.

The red ****e won three cups once and still finished 3rd which was the best they'd done in years. They also finished 3rd when they won the fa cup and when they reached their last CL final.

There just isn't this link where good cup teams do worse in the league.

Just look at our league form during our Moyes era cup runs.
 
Artetafan said:
In the last ten years Man U have always finished in the top 3 and won 5 leagues, while also reaching nine finals and 13 semi finals. Their last three champions league finals came in years they also won the league.

Arsenal reached 4 FA Cup finals and one semi in five years and that was their best period in the league too, with 2 1sts and 3 2nds which is vastly better than the years since when they haven't had those cup runs. The three finals and seven semis they've reached since then hasn't stopped them finishing 4th either.

Chelsea reached seven finals and eleven semis in seven years and won three league and never finshed lower than 3rd.

The red ****e won three cups once and still finished 3rd which was the best they'd done in years. They also finished 3rd when they won the fa cup and when they reached their last CL final.

There just isn't this link where good cup teams do worse in the league.

Just look at our league form during our Moyes era cup runs.
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We are not Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal or - indeed - Liverpool. We haven't spent £200-300m+ developing deep, versatile squads. Even the sh*te can play £20m reserve players like Jordan Henderson in cup games. Most match days we barely have enough senior players to fill the bench. Ty Browning was on the bench last game. If you said "who?" I wouldn't blame you.

Yet even those big squads very rarely win doubles and trebles because it's so difficult.

It does make me laugh how people think we have a "better chance" of winning the FA Cup too. The winners have been one of the top four almost exclusively since we won it in 1995. Portsmouth are pretty much the sole exception to that rule. So comments like the below:

Winning a cup actually shows up on your honours list, unlike "valiant but failed try for "fourth"".
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... are just bizarre to me. It assumes we'd win the cup if we gave it an effort, but we'd definitely, definitely fail if we attempted for fourth!
 
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